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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 17 of 23 27 June 2012 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
Are you joking? What about ш, for example? Or any soft consonant? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| FrancaisRusski Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4534 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Russian, Japanese, Spanish | Message 18 of 23 28 June 2012 at 2:53am | IP Logged | |||||
I think that when you start to hear Russian all the time, the differences between soft and hard consonants become more or less natural for a foreigner, particularly if there is everyday exposure to the language. Besides, this distinction is not always that clear in everyday fast language and can be at times quite subtle (unless in slower or more eloquent speech). Also the difference between hard and soft consonants is more pronounced with "t's", "l's" and "p's", and a few others; and it is quite subtle with others. Though I will agree that it is an issue if you want to sound as native-like as possible. I still don't see this as a big obstacle overall as they can be learned from imitation (a few subtle ones can be a little on the hard side to master as the difference is not that pronounced). I still hold to my idea about Russian vs. French pronunciation and to what I said about the most difficult aspects of Russian pronunciation for a native English speaker (although I should have included soft vs. hard consonants - my bad!). Edited by FrancaisRusski on 28 June 2012 at 3:08am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4700 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 19 of 23 28 June 2012 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think they're roughly equivalent. Russian has many consonants (37 according to Wikipedia) and many consonant clusters, but few vowels. French has relatively few consonants, none of them particularly difficult (though the U glíde can be somewhat tricky) and limited consonant clusters, but there are many vowels.
This "tension" is what makes the front rounded vowels sound distinct from the back rounded and front unrounded vowels. AFAIK it's the same in most languages with front rounded vowels. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5813 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 20 of 23 28 June 2012 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't know how they came up with 37 consonants since there's only 33 letters (10 vowels and 21 consonants) in the Russian alphabet depending on whether you count е and ё as a same letter. And you consider 20 consonants just a few because that's the number of them in the French alphabet, and only 6 vowels. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 21 of 23 28 June 2012 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Russians are more forgiving of a foreign accent. Russian spoken with a Croatian accent sounds cute, French spoken with a Croatian accent sounds horrible to the point of turning the French away. Edited by Medulin on 28 June 2012 at 7:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 22 of 23 28 June 2012 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's 37 consonant sounds, because Russian consonants (except the sibilants) come in pairs of hard and soft consonants. Each pair is represented by only one letter of the Russian alphabet, so there are more consonant sounds than consonant letters in Russian. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 23 of 23 28 June 2012 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's because the Croation and Russian phonologies are more similar. Plus Croatians probably are better at grammar and vocabulary as well. How do you know it is cute? How is Russian accent in Croatian? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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