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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6901 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 18 17 February 2011 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
SRS (spaced repetition system) refers to any kind of vocabulary training program (Anki, Supermemo, Mnemosyne, Memorylifter...) to which you add words, phrases, translations, explanations etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5661 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 10 of 18 17 February 2011 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
I can't see how memorising the content would be a bad thing. The more times I listen to a pimsleur lesson, for example, the more benefit I feel I get from it. Likewise with books: there are several I have read so many times (e.g. the Godfather) that I can quote huge sections from memory. At least in my experience, this has only had great benefits in my understanding of the languages I have studied. Is there really a "risk" here? Isn't "overlearning" generally seen to be a good thing? 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| polyglHot Pentaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5058 days ago 173 posts - 229 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, German, Spanish, Indonesian Studies: Russian | Message 11 of 18 17 February 2011 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I only listen to it one time. And certainly not all of the lessons. Pimsleur won't give
you what you need in terms of how actual people speak. You will end up sounding way too formal... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5557 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 12 of 18 17 February 2011 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Pimsleur is so basic and boring that I can't listen more than once. I have never had any problems picking up the odd word I miss in later lessons.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6003 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 13 of 18 17 February 2011 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
What do you mean by "overlearning"? Memory specialists use the term in a very restricted, dumb sense -- basically learning by rote. However, Wikipedia has a much more useful definition: "Overlearning is a pedagogical concept according to which newly acquired skills should be practiced well beyond the point of initial mastery, leading to automaticity." --[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlearning Is an example sentence a "skill"? I say not. The skill that language learners seek to master is that of constructing sentences that match the messages they want to convey. If you repeatedly expose yourself to the same series of tasks in the same order and end up memorising the sentences, you can recall them without practising constructing sentences. The end result is that you gain conscious command of the grammar of the language through the availability of a memorising "reference book" of examples, which (in my opinion) isn't any better than learning the rules from a grammar book in the first place. What you don't get is automaticity in producing spontaneous language. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5661 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 14 of 18 17 February 2011 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
But this is not the argument you made in the earlier post. If I understood it correctly, you said, in effect, that it was possible to listen to a pimsleur lesson too many times. That there comes a point where listening to the lessons again is actually damaging. That is something I dispute. Your new point that people need to gain proficiency in creating ad hoc output seems unrelated, since nobody proposed (at least in this thread) that output should be shunned. What I still don't grasp is how listening to recordings even thousands of times can be be detrimental compared to listening to them only a few times. Edited by Splog on 17 February 2011 at 6:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6003 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 15 of 18 17 February 2011 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Most people who do the wrong thing are attempting to do the right thing. People who practise fixed examples aren't trying to "shun" creative output -- they're just failing to do it. So what I say is not a "new point", it's simply a potential (and, I believe, likely) unintended consequence of overexposure to a limited set of examples in your target language. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dearwanderlust Newbie United States youtube.com/dearwandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5263 days ago 38 posts - 39 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 16 of 18 18 February 2011 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I've went through the Pimsleur Spanish series 1-30 once. Every now and then I'll play it
in my background but it's REALLY boring so I doubt that I'll actively go through it again. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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