Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 81 of 128 13 December 2011 at 8:09am | IP Logged |
Oleg, compare the number of Russian students with the number of French students or even
latin students in the West. You forgot that Russian is one of the most spread languages
in the world.
Of course, it doesn't mean that Russian is the most understudied language in the world.
There are three factors which are against Russian in Western Europe:
lack of necessity
lack of tradition
lack of fashion
Am I right?
Edited by Марк on 13 December 2011 at 1:55pm
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nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5406 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean
| Message 82 of 128 13 December 2011 at 8:40am | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
You forgot that Russian is one of the most spread languages in the world. |
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You forgot that Russia is one of the least densely populated countries in the world.
The geographic concentration of people in Russia means that, in terms of demographic spread, it really looks more like this:
Sure, Russia and Kazakhstan both cover vast distances of land, but when most of that is uninhabited natural landscape, what's the relevance of a man-made language? Natural beauty transcends the arbitrary articulations of the civilized tongue.
Besides, no one's actually going to be traveling and exploring ALL that land. One could spend an entire lifetime in Hong Kong or the Netherlands and never get bored. A few friendly people—not millions of square kilometers of land or hundreds of millions of speakers—are what make a language worthwhile.
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 83 of 128 13 December 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged |
But Russian is still one of the most spoken languages in the world anyway: it has plenty
of
first and second speakers.
Edited by Марк on 13 December 2011 at 9:53am
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floydak Tetraglot Groupie Slovakia Joined 4845 days ago 60 posts - 85 votes Speaks: Slovak*, English, German, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 84 of 128 13 December 2011 at 12:50pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
lack of necesssaty
lack of tradition
lack of fashion
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you are 140% right. :)
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Oleg Triglot Groupie Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5820 days ago 57 posts - 95 votes Speaks: Russian*, Polish, English Studies: Spanish, French, Italian
| Message 85 of 128 13 December 2011 at 1:26pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
But Russian is still one of the most spoken languages in the world anyway: it has plenty
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And which of the following languages doesn't: Arabic, Mandarin, Portuguese, Hindi, Bengali? And while Russian is spoken only in Russia and countries that were friendly occupied by us, all of which are geographically close, French, for instance, is spoken in Europe and America, as well as Spanish, as well as.. even Dutch! Mm?
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Oleg Triglot Groupie Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5820 days ago 57 posts - 95 votes Speaks: Russian*, Polish, English Studies: Spanish, French, Italian
| Message 86 of 128 13 December 2011 at 1:43pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
There are three factors which are against Russian in Western Europe:
lack of necesssaty
lack of tradition
lack of fashion
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Necessity, which is the mother of invention, is determined by us. If in my opinion Bengali is necessary to learn, I'll be learning it.
Lack of tradition? Well, we Russians got used to thinking that the West lacks tradition, especially compared to us the Guardians of Wisdom, but actually the tradition of studying the Russian language in the West is way more developed than in Russia, believe it or not.
Lack of fashion? Well, fashion comes from advertising, you know.
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 87 of 128 13 December 2011 at 2:06pm | IP Logged |
Oleg wrote:
Марк wrote:
But Russian is still one of the most spoken languages in
the world anyway: it has plenty
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first and second speakers. |
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And which of the following languages doesn't: Arabic, Mandarin, Portuguese, Hindi,
Bengali? And while Russian is spoken only in Russia and countries that were friendly
occupied by us, all of which are geographically close, French, for instance, is spoken
in Europe and America, as well as Spanish, as well as.. even Dutch! Mm? |
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Arabic is not one language actually. One needs to learn MSA first and then a dialect
and one will still have some problems with understanding another. There is a thread
"Questions regarding Arabic" on the forum. Mandarin will probably become the world
language. And I don't say that Russian must be prefered to, say, Mandarin.
The second part of your post is just trolling.
Edited by Марк on 13 December 2011 at 2:08pm
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 88 of 128 13 December 2011 at 2:14pm | IP Logged |
Oleg wrote:
Марк wrote:
There are three factors which are against Russian in
Western Europe:
lack of necesssaty
lack of tradition
lack of fashion
Am I right? |
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Necessity, which is the mother of invention, is determined by us. If in my opinion
Bengali is necessary to learn, I'll be learning it.
Lack of tradition? Well, we Russians got used to thinking that the West lacks
tradition, especially compared to us the Guardians of Wisdom, but actually the
tradition of studying the Russian language in the West is way more developed than in
Russia, believe it or not.
Lack of fashion? Well, fashion comes from advertising, you know. |
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That's all nonsense.
I meant the tradition of teaching Russian at schools and universities. For example,
there is a tradition to learn Latin. The same can be said about Russia. There is an old
tradition to learn French and German, while more spread Spanish is generally neglected.
Edited by Марк on 13 December 2011 at 2:23pm
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