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| Gosiak Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5117 days ago 241 posts - 361 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Norwegian, Welsh | Message 113 of 128 17 December 2011 at 10:55am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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The attitude toward Russian in my family is negative and I doubt that it will ever
change. It is because Russian was forced on them (we all live in Poland) from the primary school on. A couple of years ago I announced to my mum and sister that I want to study Russian and I got was their surprised looks and 'Why do you want to learn Russian when you do not have to? question. They will probably always associate Russian with oppressive russification and advise me to enjoy my linguistic freedom. I am the youngest of the family and according to them I should settle for any other language since I have a wide range of options and can travel freely to any place I wanted. In this case Russian language is unfortunately associated with our national history. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Mad Max Tetraglot Groupie Spain Joined 5042 days ago 79 posts - 146 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Russian Studies: Arabic (classical) | Message 114 of 128 17 December 2011 at 11:47am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Well, in my country there isn't a negative attitude towards Russian language or Russia,
like in Eastern Europe. So, we only see a difficult language (other alphabet, declensions, 3 genders, etc). So, people prefer languages considered easier (English, French or Italian). German is also studied by minorities but is also very difficult for us. I think that it is the same in Italy, Portugal or France. At the same time it is not yet the language of almost 300 million people (former USSR). It is the language of Russia (140 million people) and a second language for some other countries. Besides, we don't know if Russian will remain as a lingua franca for them (Georgia, Turkmenistan, Moldova, etc). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 115 of 128 17 December 2011 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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"I doubt it would even make the papers in Ukraine."
It would. "It is the language of Russia (140 million people) and a second language for some other countries" I'll repeat one more time. It is the language of Belarus, Kazahstan, Ukraine at least. millions of people learn russian in other republics too because it is necessary for them. "Serfdom was abolished as late as 1861' As well as slavery in the USA. Edited by Марк on 17 December 2011 at 1:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5325 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 116 of 128 17 December 2011 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I am sorry if I caused offense in any way. None was intended. I just smile a bit at my countrymen who are all up in arms over the lack of butter when we have 22 different sorts of margarine to choose from. People in Ukraine just strike me as not being as easily upset. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 117 of 128 17 December 2011 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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But margarin is not butter! I just remeber that when price of a certain popular product
grows, it is always an issue in the media in Russia. But in general you are probably right. About Tolstaya and people like her. In her racist views Tatars and 'Asia' is a source of everything bad: despotism, slavery, imperialism, corruption, lie and so on, while 'West' is a personification of everything good, opposite to Asia. Russians, who were conquered by Tatars contain too much Asia in themselves, they are lazy, ignorant, Russia suffers its size, it's an imperialistic country which oppresses everyone in the world, it will never develop untill it accomplishes all the Western requirements. Those people do not say anything new, they repeat anti-Russian and pro-western propaganda. And they are very arrogant because they think that only they are not lazy, know about democracy and everything else in the world. They tend to be very intolerant to any different opinion. They don't know history either. Edited by Марк on 17 December 2011 at 8:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5042 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani | Message 118 of 128 18 December 2011 at 1:35am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I don't believe there's anything racist in saying that a major historical event that took place many centuries ago shaped the way Russia developed, especially in the context of explaining why Russian standards of living are still so much lower than those of developed nations despite the countless attempts at reform. I also don't see anything bad in trying to emulate Western models. Where else should Russia turn for examples? Maybe China, where they're busily building capitalism and copying Western technologies? That the "Russian man" is lazy has been addressed so many times in Russian literature that I hope it's unnecessary to cite examples. One only need visit any town in Finland that will invariably be "speckless" and where buses will invariably run on schedule and then cross the border to Karelia to understand what is meant when a society is called lazy. Edited by espejismo on 18 December 2011 at 1:37am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5042 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani | Message 119 of 128 18 December 2011 at 2:09am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
How rude.
Yes, I understand, but Russia took over where the Mongols left off. Not China or France. Byzantium did, of course, influence Russia, but again, in the West/East philosophical divide, Byzantium is on the East.
Well no, what insures that Russia survives as a "neo-Empire" is the military and money. It's scary to think of how many lives were lost or ruined during the war in Chechnya, and how much money is now being pumped there and into adjoining regions to keep them "calm."
I did not say that Mongol-Tatars brought feudalism. Rather, I said that Rus' did not import anything else that developed in the West for two centuries because its main concern at that period was dealing with the Mongols. Edited by espejismo on 18 December 2011 at 2:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6588 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 120 of 128 18 December 2011 at 2:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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