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Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5556 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 9 of 22 19 April 2012 at 3:28pm | IP Logged |
OK Tarvos, thank you for informing about the varieties of languages and dialects spoken
in Scotland. I suppose I would say the coolest English accent is Dutch :~}
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4698 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 10 of 22 20 April 2012 at 5:59pm | IP Logged |
That is probably my least favourite one. I witness the Dutch butchering the pleasant English language on a daily basis...
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| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5556 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 11 of 22 20 April 2012 at 7:00pm | IP Logged |
Really! I always wanted to marry a Dutch girl because I love the way the Dutch sound
when speaking English. But fate intervened and I married a Dane...
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4819 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh
| Message 12 of 22 01 June 2012 at 1:29am | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
COF wrote:
Do people recognise those as British accents, or to
most people, is a British accent basically how Hugh Grant, etc, speak? |
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"Some people I know" tend to judge accents in movies according to this:
*non-rhotic accent - British
*non-rhotic + glottal stops - Cockney
*rhotic tap - Scottish
*non-rhotic + high-rising terminal - Australian
*rhotic tap/alveolar + high rising terminal - Irish
*rhotic - American/Canadian
*"rural" British English (for lack of better description) - usually Irish/Scottish
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You and your rhotic :-)
You have missed out, for example, East Anglian (Norfolk, etc, "hev yew got a loight
boy...?"
West Country (Devon, Cornish, Somerset, Dorset...Gloucester, Bristol., Wiltshire...)
Brummie, Black Country...."Midlands" ...Stoke ... "East Midlands"....Nottingham....
Lancashire (north and south)+Cumbria vs Yorkshire (Various varieties)
Kentish ... sounds like London/Cockney, until you listen more carefully...
plus a few others I've probably forgotten.
Admittedly it's all getting flattened out nowadays, but it's still reasonably complex.
One could also talk about "Estuary".
Admittedly, you won't hear many, e.g. Black Country, accents in films (more's the
pity).
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| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4740 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish
| Message 13 of 22 01 June 2012 at 5:10am | IP Logged |
Adele is the most famous representative of the real British English these days.
Just listen to her speak in her interviews, and get the idea. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBlfT0ij5i4
She does not use/have/put on any staged or learned accent when she speaks (although she sings in an American accent).
Edited by Camundonguinho on 01 June 2012 at 5:15am
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6900 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 14 of 22 01 June 2012 at 8:41am | IP Logged |
montmorency wrote:
You have missed out, for example, East Anglian / West Country (Devon, Cornish, Somerset, Dorset...Gloucester, Bristol., Wiltshire...)[...] |
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I was referring to what people I know usually say when this or that accent is in a film. I assume that all accents you've added count as "rural". At least, I've heard people shout "Wow, that's Irish!" (or Scottish) at any random British film or TV series where the actors didn't sound exactly like Hugh Grant, e.g. Emerdale Farm, Billy Elliott, Brassed Off, Bend it like Beckham, anything by Ken Loach and the list goes on.
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| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4613 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian
| Message 15 of 22 01 June 2012 at 10:06pm | IP Logged |
tarvos wrote:
Elexi wrote:
I should add that RP is not the same accent as the London accent and Scottish is not an
English accent.
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Scottish English definitely exists, it's English spoken with a Scottish accent. There is also Scots the dialect and then Scots Gaelic the Gaelic language, but Scottish English is merely English pronounced with Scottish intonation :) |
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Also Old Scots which many would class as a Germanic language in its own right.
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4819 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh
| Message 16 of 22 01 June 2012 at 10:48pm | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
montmorency wrote:
You have missed out, for example, East
Anglian / West Country (Devon, Cornish, Somerset, Dorset...Gloucester, Bristol.,
Wiltshire...)[...] |
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I was referring to what people I know usually say when this or that accent is in a
film. I assume that all accents you've added count as "rural". At least, I've heard
people shout "Wow, that's Irish!" (or Scottish) at any random British film or TV series
where the actors didn't sound exactly like Hugh Grant, e.g. Emerdale Farm, Billy
Elliott, Brassed Off, Bend it like Beckham, anything by Ken Loach and the list goes on.
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Sorry Jeff, I was replying to what I thought you were saying, rather than to what you
were actually saying :-(
I realise you are aware there is a diversity beyond what normally appears on the
screen.
Sorry again.
A lot of "rural" accents in the south of England sound pretty similar, to be honest.
And there is a fairly generic "northern" accent that covers a lot of areas.
You may have heard of the expression "Mummerset", meaning a generalised and vaguely
west country accent. (Borrowed from the name of the county of "Somerset").
I mourn the loss of genuine regional UK accents these days, especially among the young.
:-(
I'm speaking of England. I think they are still strong in Scotland.
Wales is a bit more problematic, due to English influence.
EDIT: The original Cornish accent is fabulous, but occasionally, I will hear
Cornish young people interviewed on BBC, and they might as well come from an estate
somewhere in the London area. *Weep*
Only the old people speak with the real Cornish accent/dialect.
Similarly in Devon.
EDIT2:
Cornish voices, 1960s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=YzmkQKaSEso
Edited by montmorency on 01 June 2012 at 11:04pm
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