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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5372 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 1 of 26 21 May 2012 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I just created a video on Japanese Pitch Accent for learners and, maybe, teachers.
Enjoy and feel free to comment. What is Japanese Pitch Accent? 15 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6650 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 2 of 26 21 May 2012 at 3:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Good work. You're fighting a good fight against all the teaching material companies trying to make material as
easy as possible. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| translator2 Senior Member United States Joined 6910 days ago 848 posts - 1862 votes Speaks: English* | Message 3 of 26 21 May 2012 at 8:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Nice video, but you lost me with this part:
hiTO / hiTOWA (all particles following high pitch also have high pitch) koTO / koTOga (you said that this word had assigned pitch so the particles have a low pitch, but how does this differ from the pitch on hiTO?) Or is the word KOto in isolation? Edited by translator2 on 21 May 2012 at 8:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5372 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 4 of 26 21 May 2012 at 9:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
The words are hiTO and koTO. They sound the same alone. But koTO has an assigned pitch on TO, which will make the following morae low. hiTO is NOT accented, so all following morae stay high by default. Clearer? This is one configuration where it's hard to know whether a word has pitch or not. If you hear LH there is no way to know whether the second mora is high by default or because it's accented -- unless particles follow. Edited by Arekkusu on 21 May 2012 at 9:03pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5774 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 5 of 26 22 May 2012 at 2:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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Nice video. You have good public speaking skills and the video is well paced and well
structured. However, I would have liked to see more natural speech later in the video to contrast your exaggeration while introducing pitches, especially with low→high (hiTO, etc.). I also hope you will make note somewhere that pitch accent is a regional thing. I'm of the opinion that Japanese pitch accent is something that should be introduced but not taught or studied, however. I think this video does a good job of that but that ten minutes is enough (that is to say, I see the topics of videos 2 and 3 as interesting but superfluous). Once one is aware that pitch exists they should be encouraged to mindful listening and left to acquire it. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5372 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 6 of 26 22 May 2012 at 2:57am | IP Logged | |||||
Do you know a lot of people who just acquired correct pitch with "mindful listening"? Edited by Arekkusu on 22 May 2012 at 2:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5774 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 7 of 26 22 May 2012 at 7:56am | IP Logged | |||||
Just about every Japanese speaker I know. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6461 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 8 of 26 22 May 2012 at 10:24am | IP Logged | |||||
Chinese speakers learn correct tones without any formal instruction either, but I haven't yet met a learner who succeeded in doing so. Compared to native speakers, students of the language just put in several orders of magnitude less time, and it's impressive that some manage to get similar results. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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