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Pronounciation of: "to push the envelope" | ||
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| espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5042 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes  Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani | Message 9 of 21 09 June 2012 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm a non-native English speaker raised in NYC. I say (on)velope and (coo)pon.
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| jdmoncada Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5025 days ago 470 posts - 741 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Finnish Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 10 of 21 09 June 2012 at 2:45pm | IP Logged | ||
Also Louisiana (Hi, neighbor!) and I fall into the (pen)velope camp. It's not that I have never heard the other one, but sound my mind picked when reading the thread title was (pen)velope. Huh. I don't know if it proves anything. I might live here, but I spent lots of my time growing up in the upper midwest (North Dakota). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6650 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 11 of 21 09 June 2012 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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Whait.. Wherefrom comes the p? Why do you say penvelope :S
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4656 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 12 of 21 09 June 2012 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | ||
I believe some people were using the word "pen" to indicate unambiguously which "en" sound they meant. Though for some American English speakers, "pen" is actually pronounced like "pin" (differently from either pronunciation of the "en" in "envelope"), so the utility of using "pen" as a guide is a bit limited. :-) In IPA terms, we are talking about "ɑn" versus "ɛn." Edited by tastyonions on 09 June 2012 at 4:41pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4856 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 13 of 21 10 June 2012 at 6:30am | IP Logged | ||
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(en)envelope is the only way I ever pronounce it.
To my ears (on)envelope sounds phoney, like somebody trying to pronounce it as if it were a French word. It sounds stilted and snobby to me, like using "AHHH" in "vaaahhhz" (vase) instead of "AY" (like "day") in "VASE". You have to stick your nose way up in the air to say "vaaahhhz" and "ONvelope". It might be good English, but it's not good 'Murikin. ;) (Raised half in Michigan, half in Los Angeles, live in rural Oregon where Perfected English is spoken.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5684 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 14 of 21 10 June 2012 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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Native New Englander here...
I say (en)velope most of the time, but "push the (on)velope". My dad (who had a Scottish mother, if that makes a difference) always says (on)velope. I say (coo)pon too; hearing (kyoo)pon makes me laugh. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kaloolah Diglot Newbie Canada Joined 4856 days ago 16 posts - 26 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish | Message 15 of 21 10 June 2012 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm from the east coast of Canada and I say coo-pon and on-velope.
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4659 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 16 of 21 10 June 2012 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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Many words are pronounced differently across the USA:
http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/maps.html Even in the West (the least accented region) there are differences between Washington, California, Arizona, and Colorado, in some cases. http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state _CO.html http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state _CA.html http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state _AZ.html http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state _WA.html Edited by Medulin on 10 June 2012 at 10:19pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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