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Watching Films for the 6 Week Challenge | ||
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| maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5219 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu | Message 9 of 18 26 August 2012 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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I personally don't think it matters does it? We all come from different bases and so experience different challenges. I think it is unrealistic to add gormless metrics to such activity.
How many people had to look up gormless? 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 10 of 18 26 August 2012 at 11:48pm | IP Logged | ||
As for music, I mostly listen to it while commuting/travelling. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5209 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 18 27 August 2012 at 9:24am | IP Logged | ||
Sorry, sprachprofi, I wasn't aware of that particular rule, or interpretation of the rule - which of the several 6WC threads was it posted in?* As an aside, would it be possible to have the full rules posted and linked somewhere easily found? The link at http://6wc.learnlangs.com/ which says "Details at the Htlal forum" leads to a long thread, rather than any one post with all the rules. The "Read about the using the bot" link http://6wc.learnlangs.com/howto is indeed more about the bot. I used the "focused on language" guideline (which I had seen somewhere), and logged it in at 100%. It didn't seem unreasonable, as I was spending longer than the actual running time of the film, what with re- winding, making notes, looking up vocab later, and such. (And, having been busy with other projects for the past few weeks, I'm sadly not in any danger of unseating someone from his/her spot on the 6WC ladder through my film-watching, such as it is.) The simplicity of the current system's very useful. People can certainly "discount" a certain percentage if they really feel it doesn't reflect the time spent and attention given. I'd be personally inclined to leave it to the discretion of the individual participant, given the variability of films - though we can probably all agree that Jacques Tati's M. Hulot films get a 100% discount...? - but if the majority of folks feel a set scale (difficult though it may be to establish) is needed, I'd certainly be happy to abide by that. One of the great things about these challenges is the way they encourage us to try getting as much exposure to our target language(s) as possible. And if we can do so while engaging in a more "fun" activity like watching a film, or a light-hearted one like learning lyrics to a song, so much the better! *Ed to clarify: genuinely wondering if I'd missed it on one of the threads; not trying to be snarky/sarcastic. Edited by songlines on 27 August 2012 at 9:27am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 12 of 18 27 August 2012 at 11:49am | IP Logged | ||
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The number is never exactly accurate anyway, so I just go with my best guess. It
naturally evens out I think 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6470 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 13 of 18 27 August 2012 at 12:00pm | IP Logged | ||
That is perfectly fine, I do it a lot myself: watching a 20-minute episode, pausing to look up unknown words or consult Google Translate on sentences that I almost but don't quite grasp, then rewind and resume. I probably spend 30 minutes on a 20-minute episode that way, so logging it as 20 minutes (10 minute just for watching 20 minutes prorated at 50%, 10 minutes for the vocabulary work) is perfectly fine. You're inserting more target-language time that way. The question is about how to log pure watching time, if you're not rewinding, not looking up stuff in a dictionary in between, not pausing to make notes and so on. If people say that sitting in front of the TV is already 100% time logged, then watching a 20-minute episode the way I do should actually be logged as 30 minutes (20 minutes for watching and 10 minutes for vocabulary work), because in the end I have spent 30 minutes on it. I'm at work and don't have the leisure to browse the 6WC threads, but I remember the question coming up at least once every time, for example http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/ forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30899&PN=7&TPN=10 So it's definitely something we should clarify. I thought I had been more clear in the How To on 6wc.learnlangs.com but it just says that TV time shall NOT be logged as 100%, it doesn't give examples for how much to log it. Edited by Sprachprofi on 27 August 2012 at 12:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 14 of 18 27 August 2012 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||
... is that language study? I'm genuinely curious: Are there people out there who, using target language media with the aim of improving their language skills, do not end up doing those things? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6903 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 15 of 18 27 August 2012 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, for me it depends on whether I watch something on my computer or on TV. Generally, I'm more inquisitive while watching something with the use of computer, as I can always stop the video, rewind it, look up some vocabulary as I'm sitting in the front of my computer anyway etc. I sometimes get very inquisitive while watching TV, though, I guess it depends on my mood and on the learning goals. Furthermore, "watching TV" is a very broad term, as this may mean watching some shows in the background (including those that aren't very ambitious, to put it mildly) and staying 100% focused while listening to the news or a political debate. That's why I don't think we need a rule of the thumb for time logging in the first place: "watching TV" covers too many quite different activities. Edited by Julie on 27 August 2012 at 6:33pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4889 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 16 of 18 27 August 2012 at 9:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree absolutely that watching 60" of a movie is not remotely comparable to studying
60" from a course book. I also find it challenging to compare my progress to others when people are taking such different approaches to logging their study times. But I do like the simplicity of the bot, and think that we could get into an endless legalistic discussion if we try to make a rule about how much movies count for. It would be nice to have some guidelines, though. For myself, I've settled on: French movie / French subtitles - 50% to 100% French movie / English subtitles - 30 minutes to 50% French movie / no subtitles - nothing. I lose focus too easily, especially with modern dramas. But even within this there is a lot of variation. I watched a Jean-Luc Godard movie last night, and there wasn't a lot of dialogue. However, I watched it almost the way you would do an Assimil lesson - the character would speak, I would read the English, and then repeat it in French. This was fun - Godard movies are very stylish, with great dialogue, and it's fun to learn with it. I logged 30" for a 90" movie. Last week I watched some awful gangster drama. Even with the help English subtitles I couldn't understand the French. It might as well have been Greek. I logged nothing. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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