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Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4671 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 33 of 66 30 August 2012 at 7:25am | IP Logged |
Well Benny proved you could reach C1 in 3 months. C1 is 5000 active, 10,000 passive words. I'll assume you're
talking about active here, so 2,500 words = 1.5 months. Benny lives in Ireland, which some people believe is part of
Europe. So he's talking about the Europa-Jovian month, which is 3.55 days. So, about 128 hours.
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4533 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German
| Message 34 of 66 30 August 2012 at 2:01pm | IP Logged |
Volte wrote:
frenkeld wrote:
petteri wrote:
Anki is a brutal and merciless way to grind the words until they stick ... |
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I have to say, even though I don't use SRS much myself, I find the whole sweat, blood, and tears imagery that often accompanies it a bit surprising. "Brutal", "grind", "merciless", is it really that bad?
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I did 3.5 hours of anki in a 24 hour period a few days ago. In small chunks; I can't do more than a couple of 10-minute sessions back to back. And, frankly, yes, it is that bad. |
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Strange I have the opposite feeling. I have been using Anki to learn new words for the last three months and find it quite relaxing. My deck has about 3000 cards at the moment, and divided between grammar, word lists, and sentences. I do (depending on the day) between 45mins-90mins of Anki/day.
I usually hate word lists, but Anki somehow makes it easy.
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| petteri Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4932 days ago 117 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: German, Spanish
| Message 35 of 66 30 August 2012 at 2:24pm | IP Logged |
patrickwilken wrote:
Strange I have the opposite feeling.
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Really I have mixed love and hate relationship to the Anki system. I have used Anki for over 400 days, 10000 cards and 400000 repetitions. The system keeps me on track to learn new words every day. I also read a lot.
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh
| Message 36 of 66 30 August 2012 at 3:12pm | IP Logged |
Wulfgar wrote:
Well Benny proved you could reach C1 in 3 months. C1 is 5000 active,
10,000 passive words. I'll assume you're
talking about active here, so 2,500 words = 1.5 months. Benny lives in Ireland,
which some people believe is part of
Europe. So he's talking about the Europa-Jovian month, which is 3.55 days. So,
about 128 hours. |
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:-)
How does Benny learn new words I wonder. He doesn't strike me as a physical flashcard
kind of guy. :-)
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 37 of 66 30 August 2012 at 3:19pm | IP Logged |
He does use them I believe, but he is also constantly surrounding himself with speaking
opportunities. Thus the important words will stick anyway
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6439 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 38 of 66 30 August 2012 at 5:14pm | IP Logged |
patrickwilken wrote:
Volte wrote:
frenkeld wrote:
petteri wrote:
Anki is a brutal and merciless way to grind the words until they stick ... |
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I have to say, even though I don't use SRS much myself, I find the whole sweat, blood, and tears imagery that often accompanies it a bit surprising. "Brutal", "grind", "merciless", is it really that bad?
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I did 3.5 hours of anki in a 24 hour period a few days ago. In small chunks; I can't do more than a couple of 10-minute sessions back to back. And, frankly, yes, it is that bad. |
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Strange I have the opposite feeling. I have been using Anki to learn new words for the last three months and find it quite relaxing. My deck has about 3000 cards at the moment, and divided between grammar, word lists, and sentences. I do (depending on the day) between 45mins-90mins of Anki/day.
I usually hate word lists, but Anki somehow makes it easy. |
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Anki is a lot less horrible than wordlists. In moderation, it can be kind of relaxing. Nonetheless, I also find it a lot more tiring than most other activities, including learning kanji in the first place.
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| BaronBill Triglot Senior Member United States HowToLanguages.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4689 days ago 335 posts - 594 votes Speaks: English*, French, German Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Persian
| Message 39 of 66 30 August 2012 at 6:08pm | IP Logged |
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Anki is a lot less horrible than wordlists. In moderation, it can be kind of relaxing. Nonetheless, I also find it a lot more tiring than most other activities, including learning kanji in the first place. |
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Agreed. i find ANKI very useful and effective, but there are some days I just can't force myself to jump into it. Usually these are days when i have 200+ words to review in multiple lists, etc. Some days I can go for an hour or more.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6943 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German
| Message 40 of 66 30 August 2012 at 8:28pm | IP Logged |
BaronBill wrote:
i find ANKI very useful and effective, but there are some days I just can't force myself to jump into it. Usually these are days when i have 200+ words to review in multiple lists, etc. Some days I can go for an hour or more. |
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I have used paper flashcards, notebooks, and even a bit of Mnemosyne in the past, at times quite intensely, but I find that in the long run they are more of an aid for vocabulary acquisition than the sole tool. When I pull an old notebook off the shelf and scan through the words and translations recorded there, I find that I am not all that comfortable with a noticeable fraction of the words that I must have memorized quite well at the time, and yet my overall knowledge of the language is way ahead of what it used to be.
It certainly doesn't seem worthwhile to keep drilling a word that just won't stick, chances are, your mind isn't ready for it yet. I've actually seen recommendations in the forum to delete such words from your Anki deck until a later date, perhaps a much later date.
In the future, I will certainly treat flashcards as only a level of effort undertaking, not a performance based one, where I must reach a certain level of performance by a certain deadline no matter what it takes. I will just put in a certain amount of time daily and leave it at that. This is still quite helpful, yet vocabulary is acquired through other channels too, so I see little point in drilling flashcards for hours. And I will only use a flashcard deck for a limited period of time - it doesn't seem useful to be spinning through all the words you have ever written down for the rest of your life.
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