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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5178 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 41 of 66 08 September 2012 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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Around 36 days of hard study (~6 hours per day).
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| zerrubabbel Senior Member United States Joined 4600 days ago 232 posts - 287 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 42 of 66 10 September 2012 at 8:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Id rather not rush it :P besides, I would spend more time deciding what to learn then actually learning it
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| leonidus Triglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 6326 days ago 113 posts - 123 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 43 of 66 10 September 2012 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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It depends on whether these are your "first" most basic 2500 words or the next 2500 words grouping, and the next, and the next, you get the point. The time required to learn each next group of more obscure words gets longer and longer, because you simply don't see them often enough in books and don't hear very much in speech.
Let's say there is a multiplier of 1.5, and it would take 1 year to learn your first basic 2500 words, then to get your entire vocabulary to 10 000 words it would take: 1 + 1.5x1 + 1.5x1.5 + 2.25x1.5 = 8.1 years this may sound like a stretch, but ok, this may be a really difficult language with no cognates at all, like Mandarin. For languages with cognates you get a discount, but the point remains, each next thousand of words takes longer than the previous thousand. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fiolmattias Triglot Groupie Sweden geocities.com/fiolmaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6689 days ago 62 posts - 129 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, Arabic (Written) | Message 44 of 66 10 September 2012 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't agree. Let's say it takes a year to learn the first 2500 words. When you start you have never heard any of them. When you start the second year there will be thousands of words that you have heard and read but not learned yet. I know that I have a larger vocabulary in Swedish than most Swedes, but it is not harder for me to learn a new word than a person with a smaller vocabulary, since I read more among other things. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| leonidus Triglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 6326 days ago 113 posts - 123 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 45 of 66 10 September 2012 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | ||
With the first 2500 or whatever number it is (1-3 000) words, although you have never heard any of them, you will be hearing them and reading them all the time, because their occurrence is very high, both in everyday life and in textbooks/audio lessons, that's why you acquire them quickest of all. The next 2500 words, their occurrence is lower. I don't agree that at this stage you will come across many words that you had previously seen or heard, if you had only read adapted texts/textbooks and listened to basic everyday life dialogues for training. But what makes these words more difficult relative to the first group is that you have to read/listen to much more (authentic) material to get enough of occurrences of them in context. Thus more work gets you the same results. And more work = longer time spent. I understand your point when you say you just need to read a lot and get enough of exposure to those more rare words, but that only validates my claim about longer time required. The first basic words are almost effortless as you hear/see them all the time. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rob Tickner Senior Member New Zealand Joined 4488 days ago 126 posts - 158 votes Speaks: English* Studies: GermanB1, French, Swedish | Message 46 of 66 11 September 2012 at 12:28am | IP Logged | ||
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For a closely related language, I did it in 12.5 days for the initial learning period,
plus time for the subsequent scheduled reviews for maintenance (which any decent SRS will calculate for you). No reason why anybody else on this forum could not replicate this (or even improve on this time). http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=33590&PN=1&TPN=1 I imagine unrelated languages would push this time out significantly. Edited by Rob Tickner on 11 September 2012 at 12:31am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5430 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 47 of 66 11 September 2012 at 9:44am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm really impressed that people are able to calculate so precisely the number of words they are able to learn in a given time period. I don't doubt the veracity of the facts, but I really wonder what one can do with those words. For example, what exactly does having learned 2500 words in 12.5 days mean?
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| Rob Tickner Senior Member New Zealand Joined 4488 days ago 126 posts - 158 votes Speaks: English* Studies: GermanB1, French, Swedish | Message 48 of 66 11 September 2012 at 10:15am | IP Logged | ||
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For me, it means having seen the word and it's accompanying meaning, letting my brain
join a link between that arrangement of letters and the object it relates to, then a short time later, seeing that arrangement of letters, and recalling the object it relates to. For example, seeing the word "cheval", letting my brain make the link between "cheval" and an actual horse (prompted by the English word "horse", which I learnt a long time ago), and then being periodically prompted with "cheval" at scheduled intervals, and reproducing the horse in my mind. I was able to form 2500 of these mappings in my brain between objects, verbs, grammatical concepts, etc. and the Swedish words that represent these entities, over the space of 12.5 days. For me, this builds a passive repository of words in my mind, which I can then call on later for activation. It doesn't mean that these 2500 words are immediately in my active vocabulary. They are in there, though. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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