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tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4710 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 65 of 66 20 September 2012 at 2:00pm | IP Logged |
If you wanna know, try it, and figure it out. It should be possible to test it if you're
unsure. Whatever the outcome you'll always retain a bunch though, so it's never useless
in the long run.
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| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5411 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese
| Message 66 of 66 20 September 2012 at 2:24pm | IP Logged |
Ari wrote:
Rob Tickner wrote:
Once one brings a repeatable definition to "learning" a word, the original question "How fast can you learn 2500 words?" becomes instantly quantifiable and quite trivial to answer, given the recorded data from say, a language learning log. |
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Well, you also need to choose how to measure time. Say I memorize a hundred words by working half an hour a day for a week, and you do it by working for four hours in a single stretch. Which one took longer to memorize the hundred words? |
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Not to be a douchebag, as I think we're kind of on the same page, but your post seems to most clearly identify this concept ...
Say you memorize a hundred words by working half a day for a week, and after 6 months we come back to test how many words you remember ... and given you'd done no other work since that point in time it turns out that you remember ... let's say 5 words ... then what did you learn?
I somewhat find the arguments about working for a week, or working super hard for a few days trivial (or whatever). In any case, 98% of what was "learned" WILL be forgotten without coming back and reviewing repeatedly. We tend to "time" things based on the first repetitions, but that might be a very small fraction of the actual time involved ... even when just trying to remember "definitions" for words, nevermind the other difficulties.
100 words might take 3 days to get in a persons head, but it might take a month worth of reviews before we can safely say they "know" all of those 100 words ... where we could come back 6 months or a year later and have a decent chance of them remembering most of them. Or perhaps we can say after 3 weeks they "know" 90 of the words, but will need 2 months before they "know" the last 10, etc.
I think, overall, the repetitions are far more important when trying to time things than the "1st" round. No matter how "perfect" a person's memory in knowing the definitions of 120 words over a 3 day period, they may still essentially know 0 of the words without a lot of further reinforcement over a long period of time.
Edited by Sandman on 20 September 2012 at 2:40pm
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