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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5430 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 17 of 22 30 August 2012 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | ||
I think this is very good advice. When you reach a point where your proficiency is close to native, why not do what natives do? And that is to use materials aimed at native speakers. That includes monolingual dictionaries and grammars, of course. But it also includes guides to writing, expanding vocabulary and difficulties of the language. There are tons of these in English and in French. Something equivalent must exist in the other major languages. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 18 of 22 30 August 2012 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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But many things that are difficult for natives are much easier for non-natives if they've done some formal study.
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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5430 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 19 of 22 30 August 2012 at 7:59pm | IP Logged | ||
I wouldn't go so far as to say "many things." Most educated natives--at least in the major Western languages--have years of study of their language and literature. If I judge by the material I see for native speakers of English and French, I really don't see many non-natives coming close to being able to use this material. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 20 of 22 30 August 2012 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've only tried one guide like this and, well, I ended up deciding to forget what I had learned. For example, it insisted that "only" should precede the word that it refers to, so that my sentence should've been "I've tried only one guide", which is kinda boring :P
Of course a very small proportion ever reach this level. But I still think that for them MANY things in this sort of guides will be irrelevant, not just one or two things. All native speakers go from colloquial/dialectal to the standard language, most learners go from the standard language to colloquial. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5430 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 21 of 22 30 August 2012 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Not to quibble, but I don't think that one can say that native speakers go from colloquial/dialectal to the standard and vice-versa for learners. But that's a minor point. The real point is that there are many guides to things like writing good English (or whatever language) that are aimed at writers or professional users of the language. For example, if you have lots of money to burn, you could take a writing course given by a famous writer in conjunction with the Guardian newspaper. Not exactly for learners of English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6943 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 22 of 22 30 August 2012 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Before one gets to quite that level, it may be worth considering advanced materials in the TL published in the TL country for learners of TL as a second language. Some languages have quite an industry for such materials.
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