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| qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6178 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 21 26 June 2009 at 10:00am | IP Logged | |||||
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DaraghM I would like to know why you believe they are the same thing. I agree with the others in this thread that they are not the same thing, and in fact are quite different. The evidence lies in the names: self-study is the study of something on one's own time and effort. Classroom learning implies that there is a teacher giving you lessons on the topic, and you are thus automatically exempt from the self-study category unless you put in some extra time to reinforce the material already taught to you.
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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6143 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 11 of 21 26 June 2009 at 10:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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I came to this opinion having certain assumptions about language learning in a class, until I actually started attending language classes in a specialist language school (Cervantes Institute). While several hours long, the classes themselves were short compared to the amount that you were required to do on your own. There was a huge amount of essay writing involved. I thought we'd be asked to learn grammar or vocabulary, but this wasn't the case, though they were taught. I'd assumed the classes would be similar to class intruction from my school days.
The point I was trying to make, albeit not clearly, was you can't assume somebody will teach you a language, even in a classroom setting. You have to know how to study a language by yourself, and what techniques and what resources to use. Unlike other subjects, which can be achieved my rote learning of set material, language learning is a totally different beast. Perhaps a classroom that taught Iversen's wordlist method, the use of L-R, and various other techniques would help on the journey, but it can take that road on your behalf. Personally, I don't think much of classroom learning, as it's all self study in the end. The only benefits I got were a lot of practice speaking with native speakers, and somebody to correct my written work. That said, I'll probably return in September to finish the level. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7007 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 21 26 June 2009 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
Depends what school (and subject!) you're talking about. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5830 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 13 of 21 26 June 2009 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I appreciate the discipline of classroom learning but at the same time it can be very hard to fit in attending classes as a busy adult. Also, in many classes the pace is set by the slowest learner.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5758 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 14 of 21 26 June 2009 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
By that definition I had a lot of good teachers as most of them allowed me to do what I wanted in class as long as I got good grades and didn't disturb the others. :o Edited by Bao on 26 June 2009 at 3:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Li Fei Pro Member United States Joined 5115 days ago 147 posts - 182 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 15 of 21 10 December 2010 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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For a hard language like Mandarin, I have found a language class to be a valuable part of my language
study. It jolts me out of my preferred activities and into a traditional textbook, which has taught me grammar I wouldn't have learned otherwise. It forces me to keep studying on a schedule when I feel lazy. With that said, I still think the bulk of my learning is occurring outside of class, through Pimsleur, flashcards, and attempts to read. As one of those "A" students of French and Spanish who could actually barely speak, I went into Mandarin knowing I'd have to work hard on my own. With the help of this forum, I'm making progress. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| skchi Groupie United States Joined 5737 days ago 57 posts - 86 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 16 of 21 10 December 2010 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't think classroom study and self-study are the same thing. The material, method, and pace are dictated by the teacher and fellow students in a classroom, rather than by the individual learner.
There are great advantages to classroom study - a chance to listen and speak to a native speaker (assuming your teacher is a native speaker) and fellow students. However, at this point, I think that classroom learning is just too inefficient. Classes cost too much and move too slowly. I think that my money and time is better spent on a good quality self-study method. Edited by skchi on 10 December 2010 at 7:22pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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