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 budonoseito Pro Member United States budobeyondtechnRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5797 days ago 261 posts - 344 votes  Studies: French, Japanese Personal Language Map | Message 17 of 21 11 December 2010 at 4:04am | IP Logged |
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I think we also have to differentiate classroom methods. The more interactive it is, I
feel the more beneficial it will be. My son's high school French class is much more interactive then my high school classes. More A/V material is also available. I tried an Adult School Night program for French. I was hoping for mostly communication; but, was very disappointed. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6695 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 18 of 21 11 December 2010 at 10:06pm | IP Logged |
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My main quibble with classroom teaching is precisely the presence of the other pupils - at least until they have learned the target language properly. And it gets even worse if your teacher expects you to interact with them while they still can't say just one correct sentence.
My secondary quibble is with teachers who try to impose their methods on me (well, they haven't had the chance since 1981 so this is history). I certainly want to learn from them, but I can better than them feel which methods work for me. On the other hand I acknowledge that newbees ès language learning can't judge methods which they haven't tried yet, so somebody has to show them the different strategies and tactics you can use. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| MixedUpCody Senior Member United States Joined 5248 days ago 144 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 19 of 21 14 December 2010 at 8:36pm | IP Logged |
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I would have to say they are different, but they can complement each other quite well. The majority of language study I do is on my own, but it is nice to have access to a teacher that can correct mistakes and explain tricky features of a language.
That being said, I agree with Iversen, other students are maddening. I really don't enjoy having to hear the teacher explain some simple grammar point umpteen times so that someone who will never learn the language anyway can get a C on the exam. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Darklight1216 Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5092 days ago 411 posts - 639 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German | Message 20 of 21 14 December 2010 at 9:10pm | IP Logged |
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I think that in some cases the results of self-study and classes might be equal provided that the student is a "class" type and the teacher is good, but after five years of Spanish classes and recent attempts at self-study, I can say for certain that they are not the same.
My classes were mostly focused on verb conjugation and rote vocabulary memorization which is quite different from actual conversation. I could conjugate estar, pass my test and move on. There was no need for actual speaking and as a consequence, I didn't feel the need bother actually speaking Spanish unless I was specifically commanded to do so. My biggest issue was the fact that the classes start you off with "A, B, C; 1, 2, 3 " or "Pick a Spanish name" rather than giving me something I can actually use like "Do you speak English?" That said, teachers are good for telling you what you're doing wrong. That is assuming that they can speak your target language (mine could not). Edited by Darklight1216 on 14 December 2010 at 9:11pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 21 of 21 14 December 2010 at 9:38pm | IP Logged |
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I do wish that there could be more language classes that would encourage conversation at what the teacher, or students, would consider to be the intermediate level. I have seen foreign language conversation courses offered at colleges and universities, but these are either very brief basic converstion courses lasting only two or three class periods or very advanced level courses which meet so infrequently as to be useless. When I took Spanish in 2009, Spanish 121 was the beginning level and I can understand students and teachers not focusing on conversation at the beginning level, though I would add that it could be beneficial to do so if one would like to. The next classes in the sequence were Spanish 122 and 123; I believe that at these levels students should have had the option to engage in basic conversations with the teacher or someone else as an actual part of the course.
I know there are some serious flaws with my idea, such as the fact that one would have to tolerate dreadful mispronunciation and unmotivated students, but I'd still like more opportunities to actually speak the language I am supposed to be learning. Edited by mick33 on 19 December 2010 at 8:34am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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