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| Alptraum Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5495 days ago 19 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French, Mandarin, Japanese, Greek | Message 1 of 12 03 November 2009 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hello, first post, so sorry if this is in the wrong place.
I currently have and study from the James Heisig book Remembering the Hanzi, but the thing that has always frustrated me with this is the fact that it does not have pinyin or any other transliteration written in. I know that I could search them up online, add them to each frame and learn with them, but doing this 3000 or so times is what I consider to be a waste of time that could be better spent doing work or studying the characters. So, is there a way to learn the pronunciation, a book of some kind? Or is the aforementioned way the only one? Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5513 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes  Speaks: Swedish* | Message 2 of 12 03 November 2009 at 10:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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I believe you'll find pinyins in an index at the back of the book!
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| Alptraum Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5495 days ago 19 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French, Mandarin, Japanese, Greek | Message 3 of 12 03 November 2009 at 10:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Oh god... Sorry, please forgive my inane stupidity. I also have remembering the Kanji, and after having flicked
through that and having found no pronunciations, I assumed that as the book is written in much the same style, by the same author, on the same topic, and since he had mentioned in his remembering the Kanji intro why he was only teaching as much as he is, I assumed that remembering the Hanzi was the same. I was also working forwards through the book, and had no reason to go to the index... erk.. On a side note - I am currently flirting with Japanese also, and if anyone has any idea of where to get a good book for the pronunciation of the Kanji, I would be most grateful. Thanks and sorry. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5513 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish* | Message 4 of 12 03 November 2009 at 11:00pm | IP Logged | ||
Isn't there an index at the back of the book? OK, that was a joke, but I certainly don't blame you for missing them in "Hanzi", I can never learn which of my books has what index. I am fairly certain though that Heisig has produced a pronunciation book to go with "Kanji", so you could always use that. Unless you already study Japanese, though, perhaps it's better to postpone that? Each kanji has three or more possible pronunciations, and I personally think that it's pretty inefficient to try to learn them before you are comfortable in spoken Japanese. (I wrote a post on that subject a few days ago.) You could always look up the ON-yomi (the japanisised version of the Chinese pronunciation) of each kanji as you go along, to satisfy your curiosity and internalise the mapping of Modern Mandarin readings to Sino-Japanese ON-yomi). Edited by Gusutafu on 03 November 2009 at 11:01pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5513 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish* | Message 5 of 12 03 November 2009 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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By the way, my personal advice is actually to keep characters and speech separate until you learn a few hundred words, and then start worrying about how each hanzi is pronounced, but this depends on your focus.
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| Alptraum Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5495 days ago 19 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French, Mandarin, Japanese, Greek | Message 6 of 12 03 November 2009 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the tips. I hadn't heard of a pronunciation book, so I'll look it up. Aside from that, I was going to learn a
100-200 word base vocab plus hanzi plus pinyin first, and from then on use Heisig to build up vocab whilst learning the character. I think that it would be pointless to have to come back to something that I learnt months ago just to learn how to write it.. I think that surely it is better if my first learning of the word includes both character and pinyin, as well as meaning, as that way I have them blocked together in my mind as one thing, not as how to speak+meaning and how to write+read. What are your opinions on this? Is it better to learn them all in one block, or is it better to break them up? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5727 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 7 of 12 04 November 2009 at 2:03am | IP Logged | ||
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Depends on your goals and your learning style. If you're in China and need to be able to order coffee soon, you should first get survival Chinese without characters. If you're at home in the UK and have a lot of time, you can surely learn it all at once. Lastly if you're like me, and forget words right away unless you've seen them written, I guess you have no choice but to learn the characters along with the words (unless you're very partial to pinyin, and all your resources use it too, that is)
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| Hoopskidoodle Senior Member United States Joined 5492 days ago 55 posts - 68 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 8 of 12 09 November 2009 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | ||
This may not be to your liking, but I would find a text-to-speech program and then make computer flash cards using a combination of Audacity sound editor (recording directly from the computer's sound card) and dragging and dropping into the flash card program. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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