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| Bradley326 Groupie Joined 6168 days ago 78 posts - 104 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Kazakh, Spanish | Message 1 of 16 27 April 2010 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've been interested in learning Kazakh for a while now, but until recently I have been unable to find adequate materials for studying. The other day, however, I stumbled upon this website, which seems to offer a really good, comprehensive basic course for Kazakh.
I'm hopefully going to post here occasionally as I progress in order to keep myself motivated, and also to get some typing practice with the language. If anyone speaks Kazakh (or wants to learn along with me) maybe we can get some basic discussions going in this thread as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bradley326 Groupie Joined 6168 days ago 78 posts - 104 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Kazakh, Spanish | Message 2 of 16 27 April 2010 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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My biggest problem with Kazakh is that it's unlike any other language I've studied before. I have a respectable command of Russian after years of study, and I casually study Spanish as a hobby, but neither of those resemble this Turkic language. The sounds, vocabulary, and grammar are almost all 100% foreign to me.
Starting at the beginning, I've been trying to get the basic pronouns down along with some easy vocabulary to start building simple sentences. The first thing that threw me for a loop was how I have to change the ending of a word in a simple sentence like: I am American Мен Америкаданмын. You are American. Сен Америкадансың. You (formal) are American. Сіз Америкадансыз. It's almost like you have to take the verb "to be" and append it to the end of the word. I'm sure that's not really an accurate way of describing it, but that's how I have it in my mind at the moment. So, if any Kazakh people are reading this: Сәлем! Менің атым Брэд, сен ше? Мен Америкаданмын, мүғаліммін. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rabochnok Diglot Newbie Colombia Joined 5602 days ago 37 posts - 59 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Turkish, Persian | Message 3 of 16 28 April 2010 at 5:38am | IP Logged | ||
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Good luck in your studies! I'm not learning Kazakh, but it's one of those languages that's cool
to me, so I'll be watching your log.
That's odd at first but with a bit of practice it'll be natural. It's cool how much I understand of Kazakh based on my knowledge of its cousin Turkish, 'course it's 'cause those're simple phrases. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bradley326 Groupie Joined 6168 days ago 78 posts - 104 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Kazakh, Spanish | Message 4 of 16 29 April 2010 at 9:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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I know a lot of Kazakh people are able to learn and speak Turkish really easily. I'm not too familiar with either language, but from what I've been told they're really, really close in terms of vocabulary especially, kind of like Italian and Spanish.
I've been casually continuing with some grammar, and the amount of word endings in this language seem staggering. So we've got Менің and Сіздің, which are possessives "My" and "you" respectively. But apparently you have to add an ending onto the word being possessed? So: Sister = қарындас My sister = менің қарындасым Your sister = сіздің қарындасыңыз So you have to add one ending onto the possessed noun if you're saying "my" and a completely different one if you're saying "your". My head is spinning! I'm really enjoying everything so far. Since I have absolutely zero experience with any language from this family it's all brand new and mysterious to me, which means I keep running into unexpected, interesting things. It's been a while since I had this feeling of real discovery while learning a language (the first time being when I started studying Russian years ago). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| onebir Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7155 days ago 487 posts - 503 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 5 of 16 30 April 2010 at 10:52am | IP Logged | ||
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"So you have to add one ending onto the possessed noun if you're saying "my" and a completely different one if you're saying "your". My head is spinning!"
your cup -> cup-your my cup -> cup-my :) I found the insistence on giving Turkish suffixes names based on indo-european grammar much more confusing. Vowel harmony may take a bit of getting used to - not sure how important that is in Kazakh. This mentions some resources - I think you might find some of these for free online if you google their titles: http://www.kazakhadoptivefamilies.com/language.html 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6221 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 6 of 16 30 April 2010 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | ||
The University of Arizona has included Kazakh in its Critical Language Program. They produced this course: http://clp.arizona.edu/cls/kaz/ which I believe they have also shared as a web based course. Their main website is: http://www.coh.arizona.edu/crit_lang/ which should provide you with additional links. Good luck with Kazakh! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bradley326 Groupie Joined 6168 days ago 78 posts - 104 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Kazakh, Spanish | Message 7 of 16 16 May 2010 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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I checked out the sites you guys linked me, thanks.
The past couple weeks have been busy (had a house guest for a week, followed by a hard week of work) so I haven't had much free time. I've been trying to just review a bit of what I've been learning in hopes it'll start to solidify in my mind. On the plus side, I was able to say hello, introduce myself, and ask how someone was doing all in Kazakh :) Of course the conversation switched languages at that point, as I reached the extent of my Kazakh knowledge. Мынау менің отбасы. Мынау менің әке, оның аты Дон. Мынау меның ағам, оның аты Джесон. Менде бір қарындас бар, оның аты Кендра. Менің атым Брэд. Мен америкаданмын және мүғаліммін. That should read: Here is my family. Here is my father, his name is Don. Here is my brother, his name is Jason. I have one sister, her name is Kendra. My name is Brad. I'm American and a teacher. Oops, just realized I forgot my mother! Oh well, she gets left out this time cause it took me way too long to type all that :) Edited by Bradley326 on 16 May 2010 at 6:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Aray Triglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5290 days ago 3 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Russian, Kazakh*, English | Message 8 of 16 24 May 2010 at 3:15am | IP Logged | ||
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hello everyone. i am kazakh. i was very surprised to find this web site, i didn't know foreign people choose to learn kazakh, because even in kazakhstan far less than 100% of the population speaks kazakh.
i am not a professional teacher, but i'd love to help you the best i can. i am a student in the uk, so my English is ok :)
hi Brad. your kazakh is very good :) but if you want to sound perfect, i'd like to correct you, if you dont mind. 1) in your first sentence you forgot to add posessive to "family", so it should be "Мынау менің отбасыМ." 2) same mistake in your 2nd sentence. should be "әкеМ" 3) u didn't make the mistake in your third sentence though :) 4) "Менде бір қарындас бар" - this is grammatically correct. but proper kazakh would say "менің бір қарындасыМ бар". i'm not sure why, i guess we say it only with people. if it was a lifeless object like a pen, for instance; you would say "Менде бір қалам бар". i need to do some research on that :) 5) "мүғаліммін" should be with letter "ұ" -- "мҰғаліммін". i'm sure you know that. please don't be mind my endless corrections.. good luck and have fun learning kazakh! 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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