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| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5440 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes  Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 25 of 52 13 December 2010 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
But without any reference points or feedback, how are you going to grasp complex abstract concepts in a language so different from yours, which you had no clue about? Don't forget Russian verb aspects, dramatically reduced number of tenses (compared to English) and not to mention noun cases. And you know nothing about all this, you don't even know such things exist. The situation described does not even include a recording of a program in order to be able to go through the same, let's say, episode again and again, to compare and analyse it, so you can deduce some rules. No, you are just allowed to see what is on the TV at the moment, all designed for native speakers. I just don't see it happening (unless the imprisoned guy is a trained linguist or the TV program is specifically made for the foreign language learners, starting from zero, with an increasing complexity). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6667 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 26 of 52 13 December 2010 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
You get reference points and feedback from the visual part. You can understand (or learn how to speak) Russian (or any language) without knowing anything about verbs, tenses or grammar. I will be easier to understand basic words and you will need more time and repetition to understand abstract concepts, but you will get meanings from interactions that you will watch visually. Actually the most used method for learning languages has been the "no method" method. Prof Argüelles explains it here: Foreign language learning without a method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTHnGVxiP0&feature=channel 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 27 of 52 14 December 2010 at 12:59am | IP Logged | |||||
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My own tuppence worth is this: I don't know whether it would work from scratch, but if he went in with even a very basic skeleton knowledge of Russian Grammar, and a few common words, such as could obtained spending a few days with a beginner's textbook (during the trial?) I believe it would work...very slowly. For just over a year from Spring 2009 to Summer 2010 (I intend to take it up again!) I watched at least 1 hour (sometimes more!) a day of Spanish (and occasionally Latin American) Television. It hardly seemed to have any effect (I note in passing that the main reason my Spanish is not better than it is is because I had ZERO access to native speakers until I got the internet, and still have zero chance to talk with them). Then after about a year (one of the reasons I stopped) I started to get very confused. I was starting to get intuitions about Spanish (varying from the still quite vague to the rapidly strengthening) which directly contradicted the rules I learned in textbooks etc. Recently I got Internet access, and what followed is worth giving a paragraph of it's own.
Whenever I have tested the stronger intuitions against the rules I learned by asking native speakers on sites like wordreference it was ALWAYS the rules that were wrong. I now know that beyond the basic structure of the language rules should always be taken as guidelines or pointers, rather than as hard-and-fast. But by God it's slow as methods go. If I averaged 14 hours per week for 60 weeks (sounds about right) then that's 840 hours! But if he has more than 7000 then I think he'd reach one hell of a standard. Its major plus point is that I believe you could reach native standard this way, and I don't think you can with many other, faster, methods. So my opinion is that if he spent just a couple of days understanding (not memorizing!) a basic beginner's textbook beforehand he would reach native standard by the end. If he also had the chance to have the occasional conversation with the guards it would be at least an order of magnitude quicker. Edited by Random review on 14 December 2010 at 4:06am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| psy88 Senior Member United States Joined 5583 days ago 469 posts - 882 votes Studies: Spanish*, Japanese, Latin, French | Message 28 of 52 14 December 2010 at 4:01am | IP Logged | |||||
Okay, if you have read the postings on this site, you know that there are strong views about how bad certain language learning courses are considered to be by some of the posters.I can guarantee that you can pick what some people consider the worse possible courses, be they, Teach Yourself, Rosetta Stone, Michel Thomas,etc.etc., and any one of them would still be a thousand percent better approach than serving 5 years in a Russian prison :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 29 of 52 14 December 2010 at 4:11am | IP Logged | |||||
Based on what evidence or personal experience can you make this claim...guarantee is a very strong word! And 1000% better? If you memorised the whole of Teach Yourself Spanish I wouldn't call your Spanish 1000% better than even the Spanish of somebody who learnt some survival Spanish from a phrasebook B.t.w. Rosetta Stone? I hear it's bad. Teach Yourself (I have used this range)? It's mediocre, but not BAD bad. Michel Thomas, his method has its detractors, and some people don't like it, I don't think a serious person could call it "one of the worst possible courses", though. Edited by Random review on 14 December 2010 at 4:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| LatinoBoy84 Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5567 days ago 443 posts - 603 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, French Studies: Russian, Portuguese, Latvian | Message 30 of 52 14 December 2010 at 4:12am | IP Logged | |||||
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He could start with cartoons and kids shows, then slowly work his way up. Surely kids
show are simple and slow paced enough... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 31 of 52 14 December 2010 at 4:15am | IP Logged | |||||
He would probably also find dubbed Russian versions of U.S. shows he already knows. Edited by Random review on 14 December 2010 at 4:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5440 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 32 of 52 14 December 2010 at 4:26am | IP Logged | |||||
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In other words: he would succeed if he had some kind of a reference :) (and was able to
choose what to watch). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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