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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6667 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 33 of 52 14 December 2010 at 8:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||
As I said before, you have a strong reference (the visuals) and he chooses to watch the channels he likes, whatever the reason. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5440 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 34 of 52 14 December 2010 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
well, if he finds Russian equivalent of BBC's Muzzy, he might stand a chance. Otherwise, if he can only access material designed for native speakers, I can't see how is he going to grasp advanced abstract concepts. Try learning Russian by watching TV serial based on Dostoevsky's The Idiot and you'll see. Visual references need to be carefully structured and repeated many times (in a very clear association with words) in order to get you to learn and advance. That is why cartoons can work to a certain degree but can only get you so far in terms of complexity. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 35 of 52 14 December 2010 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, that's why the process is so very slow. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| psy88 Senior Member United States Joined 5583 days ago 469 posts - 882 votes Studies: Spanish*, Japanese, Latin, French | Message 36 of 52 15 December 2010 at 4:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I was making a joke. What I was "guaranteeing " was that any program would be better- in my opinion - than 5 years in a Russian jail. The idea was that a Russian jail would be quite unpleasant and no matter how much you learned it would not be worth 5 years locked up. It was not meant as a literal comment about the value of the referenced programs, but rather the harshness of prison life. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5440 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 37 of 52 15 December 2010 at 4:19am | IP Logged | ||||||||
No what? No they don't need to be structured and one can learn anything from any kind of visual references? I really have hard time believing that. I can see this guy learning Russian expressions to a beginner level, but getting advance, hardly. I can't see how you can learn do discus the meaning of life, universe and everything just by watching two guys sitting and discussing these things in a foreign language (which is how a lot of Russian movies and TV serials look like :) ). And without being able to express abstract concepts, you can't call your self advanced/fluent. Without any reference, any analysis, any interaction, any possibility to record, play back, compare...I just don't see it happening and won't believe it till something like that actually happen. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6667 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 38 of 52 15 December 2010 at 7:55am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Watching more than 7000 hours of random TV in any language, you will get almost 100% "listening" skills, NOT speaking skills. Edited by slucido on 15 December 2010 at 7:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5440 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 39 of 52 15 December 2010 at 8:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||
What I wrote applies to 100% comprehension, as well. How are you going to understand philosophical dialogue simply from watching a dialogue? Sorry, I just don't get it and you seem so sure as if you had done the experiment yourself :). it's not all about hours. Some abstract terms don't have visual references you can see on TV. You can only get them through some kind of interaction (or a dictionary). This whole thing reminds me of the charades game when you give someone a task to explain "The unbearable lightness of being" :D. Even with a direct interaction it is pretty much undoable (unless everyone in the audience is strongly familiar with the book/movie and expects that one :) ). Edited by Aineko on 15 December 2010 at 8:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6667 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 40 of 52 15 December 2010 at 8:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
If you can't understand philosophical issues in your own language, you won't be able to understand them in other languages. For example I don't understant some philosophical topics in ANY language. It doesn't matter the amount of input or the language or the amount interaction...I don't understand Hegel. It doesn't make any sense for me. Edited by slucido on 15 December 2010 at 8:44am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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