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Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German
| Message 49 of 52 15 December 2010 at 11:13pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
Question:
Is it possible to achieve native understanding of an unrelated foreign language from scratch using TV, 7,000 hours, without any subtitles?
Answer:
Yes, it is.
If you KEEP doing this because you like it, you will succeed. The big problem is to KEEP doing it.
It is necessary to pay attention to the meanings and relax. It is necessary to let the brain do the work because our brain is designed to do it and the understanding will be a side-effect. It is slow, but sure. At the beginning will be noise, but it will begin to make sense after hours and hours.
It will be easier with concrete words (hundreds of hours). You will need a lot of repetition in different contexts with abstract words and complex grammar structures (thousand of hours), but you will get it.
On TV, you have self-reflecting monologues but I think a beginner will change to other channels...more visual. The problem with this TV method is having enough choices/opportunities to see the language in a lot of different contexts and to enjoy it.
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How did you learn *your* English?! It's almost flawless.
Edited by Random review on 15 December 2010 at 11:15pm
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6667 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 50 of 52 16 December 2010 at 1:45pm | IP Logged |
Random review wrote:
How did you learn *your* English?! It's almost flawless.
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I tried to learn English with traditional methods, but I always failed. Then, I began reading websites with pop-up dictionaries. This was nine or ten years ago. My goal was to read interesting content and not to learn English, but that was the side effect. After four years, I thought I could start to learn English and I began listening to audiobooks and studying with Assimil, Pimsleur and things like that, but I always gave up. I don't have willpower. Traditional methods are mortal boring for me.
What's my method?
The "no-method" method or the "chaotic" method, but this is half truth. Actually my method is internet plus interesting content. Learning languages is a side effect. When I am reading, listening, writing or speaking English my goal is communication and not the language itself.
What's the main advantage of this "method"?
I keep doing. I never give up. I cannot give up learning English because I do not want to learn English or any other language. It seems contradictory, but it is not.
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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German
| Message 51 of 52 16 December 2010 at 11:04pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
Random review wrote:
How did you learn *your* English?! It's almost flawless.
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I tried to learn English with traditional methods, but I always failed. Then, I began reading websites with pop-up dictionaries. This was nine or ten years ago. My goal was to read interesting content and not to learn English, but that was the side effect. After four years, I thought I could start to learn English and I began listening to audiobooks and studying with Assimil, Pimsleur and things like that, but I always gave up. I don't have willpower. Traditional methods are mortal boring for me.
What's my method?
The "no-method" method or the "chaotic" method, but this is half truth. Actually my method is internet plus interesting content. Learning languages is a side effect. When I am reading, listening, writing or speaking English my goal is communication and not the language itself.
What's the main advantage of this "method"?
I keep doing. I never give up. I cannot give up learning English because I do not want to learn English or any other language. It seems contradictory, but it is not.
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It works! I need to re-think my own strategy...you are achieving better results than me AND having more fun at the same time, it doesn't seem fair.
Edited by Random review on 16 December 2010 at 11:05pm
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6667 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 52 of 52 17 December 2010 at 9:47am | IP Logged |
Random review wrote:
It works! I need to re-think my own strategy...you are achieving better results than me AND having more fun at the same time, it doesn't seem fair. |
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At some point I realised that my core method was a "side effect" method. It's a "no-method" method, "chaotic" method, "all-methods" method or "no-language learning" method.
To summarize it up: I do what I feel like to do. If I feel like to read books, I read books. If I feel like to watch movies, I watch movies. If I feel like learning grammar, I study grammar. If I feel like using translations, I use them. If I feel like doing whatever in English, I do it.
I didn't choose this approach, it just started spontaneously when I began with Internet. I realised than there was much more information in English than in Spanish. I was aware I only needed a pop-up dictionary to understand, I started reading websites and one year later I began buying real books. I only read things I liked or I needed. I began listening around four years later.
This detached attitude was what worked for me, but it was so detached that I wasn't aware I was using it.
Do I recommend my approach?
I recommend it only for people who are very bad learning languages and who have failed several times. This doesn't apply to the average people in this forum.
Conclusion: What do I need to do?
Keep doing something, anything, in your target language as long as you have fun or you need it. Change your goal from learning languages to having fun, comunication or other non-learning language goal.
Sorry.
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