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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5758 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 9 of 25 13 December 2010 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just try and translate your average Tagalog news report with only a dictionary, and then tell us how it went. =)
Also, improving comprehension just by learning words and phrases is one thing, but that doesn't mean that you could actually reproduce most of those sentences you kind of understood with some guessing. I'm speaking out of experience here. Edited by Bao on 14 December 2010 at 11:22pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Desertbandit Groupie Netherlands Joined 5092 days ago 80 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Arabic (Iraqi)* | Message 10 of 25 13 December 2010 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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You all make a valuable point but my theory is:
Learn Voculabary till to a certain high level and then study grammar afterwards , wouldn't that make comprehensing grammar so much easier? or am I just spouting madness here? I haven't really tried it myself. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaucusWolf Senior Member United States Joined 5264 days ago 191 posts - 234 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Written), Japanese | Message 11 of 25 13 December 2010 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | ||
To an extent yes but I think that some grammar is vocabulary. If you take for example the ه in Arabic which means His when added to the end of a verb.( so if I added it to the word country it would be his Country) edit: Also if you take into account سوف which means will or shall it has a derivation which is just س added to the beginning of a verb. They both are vocabulary words but you also have to understand the grammar about them as well to know them. I'm not sure if other languages are like this but you definitely need to know at least some grammar while learning the vocabulary in Arabic. Edited by CaucusWolf on 13 December 2010 at 6:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Syntax Bilingual Hexaglot Newbie South Africa Joined 5087 days ago 28 posts - 40 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 12 of 25 13 December 2010 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | ||
No Simply compare: The cat killed the mouse. The mouse killed the cat. Same words, utterly different meanings. Besides, if the language conjugates or declines, even less will make sense. eg of conjugation: In Latin you would learn 'Properare" (to hasten), but conjugating it to the pluperfect 1st person plural in a question form would render "properaveramusne?" (I think), which wouldn't make much sense when only learning words. Besides, you sometimes get words like fero, ferre, tuli, latum (all meaning the same thing, but in different forms) Don't believe me? English: is, am, are, was, were, be, being, been eg of declension: "domina filiam amat" "filiam domina amat" "amat filiam domina" "amat domina filiam" all mean the same thing (the house lady loves her daughter) Grammar is therefore essential to learning a language. Besides, you will get frustrated by only learning vocabulary and feel like you aren't achieving anything. You would probably stop learning soon. Cool idea, though :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6003 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 13 of 25 13 December 2010 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | ||
How would you know the difference between "paint" and "paint" if not by grammar? I've presented a verb and a noun here, and without any grammatical clues to guide you, you've no way of knowing which is which. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6134 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 14 of 25 14 December 2010 at 1:06am | IP Logged | ||
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This bad idea is think. Now English by means of writing but, only vocabulary use. Japanese's grammar and word order use. English speak but grammar good not is I personally think. Understand?
Based on how you'd say it in Japanese (below), which would be akin to learning only vocabulary and applying English grammar when you try to produce something... これは悪い考えだと思います。今英語で書い て いますが、しか単語を使います。日本語の文 法と語順を使います。英語を話しますが、文 法がよくないですよ。分かりますか。 Edited by ellasevia on 14 December 2010 at 11:06pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5775 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 15 of 25 14 December 2010 at 1:11am | IP Logged | ||
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Actually it's worse even than this!!!! Even learning a language by just learning the Vocab AND the Grammar does not work. My education was Science based, and it seemed obvious, Language = Grammar + Vocabulary, ∴ learn the Grammar and the Vocab and you will speak the language. What followed for me was frustration, bewilderment and disillusion. Please save yourself years of frustration and accept my word that this is nonsense. Utter, utter, nonsense. It's nonsense for Germanic languages, it's even more nonsensical with Romance languages...I imagine it gets quite laughable once you get to more distantly related or even non-related languages. Edited by Random review on 14 December 2010 at 1:12am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5427 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English | Message 16 of 25 14 December 2010 at 1:28am | IP Logged | ||
Vocabulary and grammar are visible to the eye, therefore they cannot be essential: "On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." 1 person has voted this message useful |
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