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Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5693 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish
| Message 9 of 25 03 April 2011 at 10:33pm | IP Logged |
I voted for Japanese. It's definitely a hard language, but you've apparently got quite a bit of language-learning experience under your belt, so I think you could manage it.
The reason I picked it is that the combination of your obvious love for the culture and the fact that your daughter's studying it makes for a win-win combination, in my opinion. It would be a superb motivation for you to be able to study and practice with her. Second choice is Persian: you clearly love it (therefore motivation wouldn't be lacking) but it sounds like you wouldn't have an opportunity to practice it in person.
By the way, anakapuana makes a very good point about Indonesian, but s/he is forgetting one of the most important things: if you don't already have a passion for a language, there's really no reason to learn it (unless you're forced to for business/personal reason, obviously). Indonesian may indeed be beautiful and simple and widely spoken, but if it doesn't mean anything to you personally, don't waste your time with it. However, if your interest is piqued by anakapuana's post, feel free to do some research into the language – passion and interest can always be developed!
Whichever language you end up choosing, I wish you the best of luck with your studies.
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6229 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 10 of 25 03 April 2011 at 11:01pm | IP Logged |
anakapuana wrote:
Do yourself a favor: learn Indonesian (bahasa indonesia). It has all the qualities and very few of the inconvenients
of other languages:
Grammar/syntax: the easiest in the world. Only Tok Pisin is even simpler.
Pronunciation: the easiest in the world. No tones, no difficult sounds. Anyone from anywhere can speak correctly
in no time. Moreover, the language is lovely to the ear: I like to compare it to Italian, where western languages
are concerned.
Vocabulary: God's gift to the world. You already know hundreds of words without realizing it, through Dutch
(much of which was influenced by French - hence Latin and Greek roots). Other important sources: Arabic, thru
Persian or not, Chinese and of course, Sanskrit (and that means: back to Indo-European languages...).
Some English as well, naturally. Yes, granted: there are also some purely Malay words.
In short: if you can't speak survival Indonesian in 3 months, try stamp collecting instead. Fluent Indonesian in a
year? Certainly possible and most likely.
19th century pan-linguists went to all sorts of trouble to find/create a universal language. In their bigoted
classical formation, they could not envision a language that might include roots others than those from the "Old
World". We were thus gratified with silly constructed languages, none of which really made any headway
anywhere. Had they looked further, they would have discovered that this "ideal" universal language already
existed: Bahasa Indonesia.
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That is interesting! I never would have come up with Indonesian in a hundred years despite the fact that it
repeatedly comes up on the 10 most spoken languages list (along with Bengali) . Even more interesting
considering our own president was born there! ( Kidding! Kidding! Only kidding people!!)
Jinx wrote:
By the way, anakapuana makes a very good point about Indonesian, but s/he is forgetting one of the most
important things: if you don't already have a passion for a language, there's really no reason to learn it (unless
you're forced to for business/personal reason, obviously). Indonesian may indeed be beautiful and simple and
widely spoken, but if it doesn't mean anything to you personally, don't waste your time with it. However, if your
interest is piqued by anakapuana's post, feel free to do some research into the language – passion and interest
can always be developed!
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That is true aside from learning it for the pure curiosity of it. I could, of course, see myself casting away on a
several year surf-safari through Indonesia though! OK, back to reality...
Perhaps if I could locate some Indonesian speakers in my area or if I knew I was going to Indonesia it would
make more sense to tackle Indonesian. My true love of languages is being able to talk to people and learn more
about their cultures in their native tongues.
One second thought, I could always try the Benny Lewis (Fluent in 3 Months) style 3 month complete immersion
and see where that takes me. Worst case scenario : I have a comfortable command of Indonesian should I ever
need it in the future. Best case scenario: I discover a whole new world!
Still - I'm leaning more towards Japanese :-)
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6229 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 11 of 25 03 April 2011 at 11:04pm | IP Logged |
Snowflake wrote:
liddytime wrote:
Sadly, when I tried to speak it with a Chinese friend, his response was:
"Seriously dude, Stop that. You are reaaaaally hurting my ears when you try to speak Chinese!" |
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All the native Mandarin speakers that I know would consider that response to be a loss of face...theirs. Consider
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Ha ha ha!! Yeah, I'm not actually friends with that guy anymore. He was pretty into himself. LOL
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| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5808 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German
| Message 12 of 25 04 April 2011 at 3:42am | IP Logged |
I voted for Hindi because I have a soft spot for it and am fascinated with India.
But, honestly, learning Japanese with your daughter seems an obvious choice.
Bonding aside, there's a powerful and fascinating culture behind it as well.
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6229 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 13 of 25 06 April 2011 at 5:38pm | IP Logged |
So....
.. here is where I am headed...
Thank you everyone for your inputs, this has been really fun to get your opinions. I might do this exercise again
in the future.
#1: The 400m sprint:!
So I am going to take the next three months and learn as much INDONESIAN!!! as I can. Never in a million
years did I think I would study Indonesian but anakupuana has really piqued my interest.
I have never studied an Austronesian language before so I am curious. I am also interested in observing how the
melange of Arabic, Hindi, Dutch, English and Romance languages comes into play. I believe our local Asian
food-shop owner is Indonesian so I can capitalize on this connection for practice. Most importantly, we are
moving to Eugene, OR this summer and they have a gamelan group that welcomes community members. As a
musician and part-time-amateur ethnomusicologist, this is right up my alley!
3 months! See where I am at - and see where I want to take it from there!
#2: the Ultramarathon:
My daughter and I are going to learn JAPANESE! together. We are both hooked on the Irasshai video series
and hope to get through a couple of episodes a week. The show is great for kids and adults alike so we are
looking forward to it. Irrasshai goes pretty slow, but it does teach katakana/hiragana and kanji gradually which
is important to us. This is more like the 3 year plan as opposed to the 3 month plan. In addition, I have found
several Japanese clubs in the Eugene area.
Yeah!!
Edited by liddytime on 06 April 2011 at 6:42pm
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6229 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 15 of 25 06 April 2011 at 6:48pm | IP Logged |
Vagaglot wrote:
I disagree that the pronunciation is simple. When speaking Indonesian one would do it
with Javanese words, as most of the population are Javanese. Words like tcerevet,
njamur and occho ngono aren't exactly natural for a Westerner to pronounce.
3 months to learn the basics is okay, but IN the country!
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I totally agree with the disagreement! ;-) The pronunciation and spoken language comprehension is way more
difficult than I had anticipated.
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6229 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 16 of 25 18 April 2011 at 12:54pm | IP Logged |
So, I have officially joined SprachProfi's 6 - week challenge doing Indonesian. We will see how much I can learn in 6
weeks starting from absolute scratch!
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