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| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4662 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 6 10 May 2012 at 5:08am | IP Logged | ||
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I'd like to try memorizing at least some Russian declensions to help make the grammar stick. I want to start with
nouns. Here are two possibilities I've been thinking about: 1) Memorize the rules for each case, then practice them 2) Memorize the rules for each declension, then practice them (this was new to me, so here's a link) In order to practice them, I'll probably create an anki deck with question = noun, case answer = declined noun Can you suggest other ways to do this? Or maybe links to resources that will make this task easier? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6694 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 6 10 May 2012 at 9:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Long ago I made a 'green sheet' with the endings of most regular adjectives and substantives on one page (not separate as in all grammars I have ever seen), and then I kept this sheet within reach whenever I studied a text intensively or wrote something myself. The sheet is in message 3 of this thread.
One basic tenet of the system is that the series for endings after hard resp. soft consonants are parallel and predictable so I have given one of each. Then there are some special cases like neuter -ие and feminine -иа where a thematical vowel disturbs the usual pattern so much that it becomes necessary to make a separate column. And I have also included two columns for -анин and -ёнок, i.e. patterns where an infix wreaks havoc in some, but not all forms. Apart from these cases the table doesn't include irregularities, but for those the 'companion page' to the one you linked to gives a clear overview. In my table I have placed the Accusative between the Nominative and the Genitive, and this is the only logical place for it because it sometimes takes its forms from one, sometimes from the other of these two when it doesn't have separate forms. I use the same order in all my other languages (where applicable) so this has the advantage of being known territory. However I have also placed the feminine after the neutrum, which is logical when you look at the forms (not least those of the adjectives) - but because I am used to having it between the Masculine and the Neutrum I couldn't get used to have it in any other place so if I were to rewrite the sheet I would move it back the the middle position. With regret. Edited by Iversen on 10 May 2012 at 9:54am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 3 of 6 11 May 2012 at 9:53am | IP Logged | ||
What is your problem: memorizing the endings or memorizing when to use a particular case? I would suggest learning case by case and then systematizing them into declensions, because it is important to know when to use what case. I think that an old system to learn declension by declension can be useful only when the case usage is similar to the languages you know. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4706 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 4 of 6 11 May 2012 at 9:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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Try doing a lot of exercises, worked well for me (except for the plural genitive, that one is just crazy).
When I write, I get mostly all of them right, my problem is when I speak....I usually don't change the ending to the right declension or at all, in real time situations, but I guess I just need to practice it more, since I almost never get to have a normal conversation in Russian. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6588 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 5 of 6 12 May 2012 at 12:44am | IP Logged | ||
Agreed about case by case. Learn about their functions and find examples/make them up.
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| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4706 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 6 of 6 12 May 2012 at 1:01am | IP Logged | ||
Both, I guess. I'll definitely try shadowing. I do it with Dutch and it helps a lot =) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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