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Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4662 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 9 of 10 27 May 2012 at 10:21pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
she clearly said the word wai4po2 as wai4pe2 |
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I don't know, but I once asked Jenny on Chinesepod why she pronounced feng1 as fong1, but never got an answer. And I
had a Taiwanese friend who would pronounce his name, Peng, with the e sounding like the a in ate. This kind of thing
happens quite a bit. If I recognize the word, I just ignore the "difference", rather than waste our time pointing it out.
Everyone seems to understand standard pronunciation; I wouldn't change yours to match a non-standard speaker. One
of the things they teach learners early on is that tones are a lot more consistent throughout the language than other
aspects of pronunciation, and therefore more important. The tones sort of hold together and unify the language. So
there's more leeway regarding other aspects of pinyin.
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| egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5687 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 10 of 10 28 May 2012 at 5:00pm | IP Logged |
The pronunciation fong for 風 is completely standard in Taiwan. This is even
reflected in Tongyong Pinyin (通用拼音)which writes fong and wong for
Hanyu Pinyin's feng and weng. To a lesser extent meng and
peng can often become mong and pong.
I believe, but am not certain, that this also happens in the Mandarin of many speakers
in the south of China along with features like l/n, f/h, and n/ŋ merging or free
variation.
There is definitely something (ə -> ʊ / [+labial]_ŋ)-ish going on here, but it does
seem to vary, even within the same speaker. Many aren't aware that they are doing this
due to spelling: I once had speaker swear up and down that his 風 ending was the same
as his 冷 ending. “我說風[fʊŋ]!ㄈ[fə] ㄥ[əŋ] ㄈㄨㄥ[fʊŋ]!”
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