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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6909 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 57 of 63 27 July 2012 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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H or not, I've heard people (non-native speakers) use both [x] and [ç] instead of a "normal" h, so I guess it's similar enough (and to my ears, they sound more like a kind of h than the Danish d sounds like an l). Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 27 July 2012 at 5:42pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5532 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 58 of 63 27 July 2012 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
I shall happily defer to the perception and expertise of others on this point. :-) I am just a newbie trying to wrap my tongue around some strange words, and perhaps overly influenced by the traditional transliterations. Anyway, it's a fun sequence of voiceless fricatives: The English H, a pharyngeal fricative, both -ch sounds from German, plus "sh", "s" and "f" for good measure. While typing this, I received a copy of Ancient Egyptian: A linguistic introduction by Loprieno, which looks fascinating, and which has a whole chapter on current vowel and consonant reconstructions. Can't wait for the weekend! Edited by emk on 27 July 2012 at 7:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 59 of 63 27 July 2012 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's exactly what I meant with "Not to mention what a phonetician would have to say about it"... ;) @jeff_lindqvist: Yeah, I've heard the same, especially from Eastern European people, but I would consider that as a really thick accent. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 60 of 63 28 July 2012 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
Non-native speakers shouldn't be taken into account. For example, native English speakers confuse [x] with [k] for some reason. Josquin, I can say that it is very difficult for a Russian to hear the difference between [h] and [x] and few Russians manage to do it. I have already mentioned on the forum that I took a short Esperanto course. There were five students, I was the only one who could pronounce [h] correctly. When the teacher corrected someone, they continiued to pronounce [x] and could not understand what was wrong. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 61 of 63 28 July 2012 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 62 of 63 28 July 2012 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
No, I don't mean transliterations in English, I mean other languages. The majority of the Irish population pronounce "ach" and "loch" as "ac" and "loc". Edited by Марк on 28 July 2012 at 3:40pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Mae Trilingual Octoglot Pro Member Germany Joined 4991 days ago 299 posts - 499 votes Speaks: German*, SpanishC2*, Swiss-German*, FrenchC2, EnglishC2, ItalianB2, Dutch, Portuguese Studies: Russian, Swedish Personal Language Map | Message 63 of 63 11 August 2012 at 12:08am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, which would be enough for speaking. But this thread is about sounding native. Edited by Mae on 11 August 2012 at 12:10am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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