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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5548 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 1 of 18 13 July 2012 at 12:24am | IP Logged | ||
The view from my room whilst staying in Killarney. *nostalgic sigh* (source: Travels with Teango) After a prolonged absence from any real language learning, it's finally time to clamber back on my brightly painted wagon, take a firm hold of the reins, and start down the road on an ambitious new project: to learn as much Irish as I can before my move to Hawai'i. I'll be focusing on getting my listening and reading skills up to scratch, although there'll be time for some speaking as well, and as I won't have enough space in my suitcase to bring my little hoarde of Irish resources along with me, I aim to get as much out of them as I can during the weeks remaining. In addition to all the quality listening and reading materials I've spent my hard-earned coppers on, I can barely wait to start watching the Irish language TV channel TG4 to immerse myself daily in real spoken Irish. The programmes are simply excellent, and I can well envisage them quickly becoming a quenching spring of motivation! Irish is not like any other language I've studied before either. Sentences begin their life as verbs, sounds are magical and otherwordly, and spelling rarely matches pronunciation unless it's under the light of a blue moon. There's no doubt I have quite a daunting task ahead of me, but the sheer beauty of Irish poetry and music is enough to reassure me I'm on the right path. I'll be starting out with a mere smattering of words and a few stock phrases in my lesser-spotted red kerchief knapsack, having only ever spent about a dozen hours on Irish altogether in the past. This includes a couple of introductory classes several years ago (from which unfortunately I had to drop out), a few days spent on 8 out of the 195 lessons in the Buntús Cainte series in the beginning of May this year, and a little bit of Irish TV with English subtitles for fun. In simple terms, I can do little more than say "hello" or "goodbye" in Irish to save my life at the moment. And this is a great place to start in order to assess my methodology and any progress...at, or at least pretty close to, the beginning. My ideal goal would be to reach B2 level (approx. upper intermediate) in listening and reading over the next month or so. However, given the knowledge that most lrish themselves don't necessarily reach this level after a small liftetime of lessons in school, I'd be more than happy just to score a comfortable A2 on the CEFR scale. The plan is to build up vocabulary through listening and reading, enhance listening skills by actively watching Irish TV without subtitles, and integrate some exercises to improve pronunciation and spontaneous speaking. I'll also be indulging in some virtual travel again to accompany my reading, in the hopes of providing a general framework for the project, similar to my "Trans-Siberian Express" project in 2011 (which is still ongoing and I hope to pick up again later this year). I like to call this the "paper trail" approach. Given the relative size of Ireland's coastline, I'll equate 10 pages of listening and reading with 1 km of the route on my map [edit]. This will not only enable me to visually keep track of progress from the start, where closing the distance to each goal can function as a great little motivator, but I also get to learn more about the geography, history and culture of Ireland's Gaeltacht (Irish speaking regions) along the way. The first region I'd like to virtually explore is County Donegal (Contae Dhún na nGall), so here's my planned route for the initial 277 km and 2,770 pages of the first leg of my journey: 
My proposed virtual route in County Donegal, taking me through the Gaeltacht towns and villages of Carrigart, Downies, Falcarragh, Gortahork, Magheraroarty, Tory Island, Gola Island, Derrybeg, Gweedore, Crolly, Rinnafarset, Loughanure, Annagry, Kincasslagh, Cruit Island, Burtonport, Arranmore, Dungloe, Doochary, Fintown, Lettermacaward, Glencolumbkille, Teelin, and Kilcar. (background source: Google Maps) And just in case you're wondering in the back of your mind...why "Raggle Taggle Gypsy-O"? I've always loved this traditional folk song ever since I first heard it sung in Ireland by Christy Moore as part of the Irish folk music band Planxty. As it turns out, after all these long years, this much-loved Irish song is actually of Scottish origin from the 17th century. Nevertheless, I thought it'd still make a catching title for this language log and fit in well with the overall mischievious spirit of adventure. After all, "What do I care for titles, o? I'm away with the raggle-taggle gypsies, o!". Edited by Teango on 19 July 2012 at 10:45am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5048 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 2 of 18 13 July 2012 at 12:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Is Irish spelling really so inconsistent? I think it is more consistent than English. And
unlike English, you can always write any combination of Irish sounds with certainty, except things like scoil. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 3 of 18 13 July 2012 at 1:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Good to have you back!
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5548 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 4 of 18 13 July 2012 at 2:28am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks tarvos, it's been way too long already! Keep up the excellent work on your language log - you've made some really impressive gains in Russian this year and I'm looking forward to your next video (as well as brushing up on my French in your posts, when my Russian and Irish language books are turned the other way). ;) Edited by Teango on 13 July 2012 at 2:31am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5326 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 5 of 18 13 July 2012 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Happy to see you, brother! I'll look forward to following the log! And I actually managed to impress a couple of Russians the other day because I had heard of the city Perm, which was entirely due to your Trans-Siberian Express! :-)
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| liammcg Senior Member Ireland Joined 4596 days ago 269 posts - 397 votes Speaks: English* | Message 6 of 18 14 July 2012 at 11:59am | IP Logged | ||
It doesn't seem that inconsistent to me, just different. Once you spend a year or two reading and listening, you will begin to appreciate the close relationship between the spelling and the broad and slender sounds of the language. Since you are going to be focusing on Dún na nGall, this maybe of interest to you: http://www.bealoideas.com/ It includes recordings of native speakers from every area of the Gaeltacht in that county. I don't think there are any subtitles, so I hope you can get through the thick accent! ;) Go n-éirí leat! Edited by liammcg on 14 July 2012 at 12:05pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5548 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 7 of 18 14 July 2012 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Cristina
Thanks, sis! :) I've been enjoying reading your diary entries for St Petersburg, and I hope that cold shifts soon - poor thing. I'm particularly interested in which Russian films Maxim recommended? @liammcg Go raibh míle maith agat for the link! What a great idea to document regional native speakers like this...just need to wait for my language skills to catch up first. ;) Do you know if there are any similar projects for other areas of the Gaeltacht? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| liammcg Senior Member Ireland Joined 4596 days ago 269 posts - 397 votes Speaks: English* | Message 8 of 18 14 July 2012 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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Teango, this might be of interest: http://dho.ie/doegen/home
However, be warned that these recordings were made on wax cylinders, and the quality is far from perfect. Some are quite difficult to make out, but it is worth the effort in order to hear perfect Irish from what I imagine were largely monolingual speakers. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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