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| mrasiteren Newbie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5531 days ago 10 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English | Message 9 of 11 12 January 2010 at 7:59pm | IP Logged |
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No we don't have equivalent words for all the Arabic and Persian words that entered our
language and became part of it. On the contrary when language revolution began in Turkey our language had been shrunk severely by the hand of the government. I oppose to strip any word from our language unless there is a word bearing precisely the same meaning. I mean look at English, English speakers don't have any complex about "purity of language" Let me give you an example: when we were introduced to new terms like hostess it was thought to be converted in Turkish as "flying lady"(ucan avrat) :D (of course it never passed into practice) And "Türkiye" doesn't come from Italian it comes from Arabic Edited by mrasiteren on 12 January 2010 at 8:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| onurdolar Diglot Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4643 days ago 98 posts - 147 votes  Speaks: Turkish*, English Studies: Italian, German | Message 10 of 11 10 May 2012 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
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I know this is an "ancient" topic but i couldn't stop myself from commenting;
The relation between the word "Turkiye" and Turks is like of "Germany" and Germans. As you most know it Germany derives from Germania which refers to not German nation as we know today ( deutschen ) but as a land which a bunch of related tribes used to habitate ( Germanic Peoples ). Germans as you know it call themselves Deutsch which if i am not wrong means "man" in their proto Germanic language. Turks living in Turkey today are descendants of their ancestors who came to "Roman Land" as they used to call it ( Rumeli in Turkish; lit. Roman ( Rum- ) Land ( -eli ) ). When they came here they used to call themselves not "Turks" but "Oghuzs" ( Oğuz in modern Turkish ) Oghuz as a word literally means "the good man" in ancient Turkish ( or actually Oghuz Language which modern Turkish, Turkmen, Azeri, Gagavuz and some other languages evolved from ) So word by word they thought they were "Oghuz People" who have settled in "Roman Land" as the state they formed here was named "Sultanate of Rum" ( Kingdom of Rome ) The term "Turk" itself used to refer to an area which many Turkic tribes habitated before 8th century before Arabs conquered it. So they called the Central Asia "Turkiyya" just as Romans called Central Europe "Germania". Turks never called themselves "Turks" before 19th century when they started to interact with European traders more often ( no longer only in isolated ports but almost everywhere in the empire even in villages ) whom used to call them "Turks". Reason behind this was Turks have inherited the legacy of Arabic traders in Mediterranean Sea and with it their vocabulary which they use to interact with European traders ( which was some sort of a Lingua Franca in mediterranean between 12th and 17th centuries; the language was a mix of Italian, French, Greek and Arabic, i think modern maltese is a most living example of the tradition ) And that vocabulary included the term Turkiyya which became Turchia in Italian. So yes, Türkiye comes from Turkiyya ( arabic ) but also Italian Turchia is the Italian spelling of the same word which was used by Turkish, Arabic and Italian traders on daily basis back then. Now as i mentioned Turks used to call themselves simply with name of their tribes or as "muslims" before the word Turk was re-represented to them by European traders in 19th century. Because of the increased interaction with Europeans they learned such a thing called "nation" and an idea of "nationalism" existed at the same time. ( before that there was only "ummah" which means something in line of "islamic nation" without ethnic of linguistic boundaries )Since they learned the idea of nation from europeans and the word "Oghuz" was long disappeared they took "Turk" and "Türkiye" to replace it. If we were to purify the language completely we should have renamed Turkey as "Oghuzeli" and the Turkish language "Oghuzdja". 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6263 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 11 of 11 15 May 2012 at 8:31pm | IP Logged |
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The name Türkiye is as likely to come from Arabic as from Italian.
The Ottoman Empire was multi-national, and for most of its history modern ideas of nationalism were absent. Turkiyya could also be a woman's name. I remember reading about a Circassian woman who was one of the wives of an influential Ottoman official in the 18th or 19th century who had that name. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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