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| giulianovma Newbie Brazil Joined 5304 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Studies: Japanese | Message 1 of 14 24 September 2010 at 2:58am | IP Logged |
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First, I'd like to say sorry about my English, if you notice some errors of words or grammar.
Anyway, recently I discovered about the learning method called "Input" and "Output". Basically, Input is everything we listen and read, and Output is everything we write and talk. Well, then I readed about it and I found a blog about languages, and it talks something I thought interesting (and weird): It says like "A good way to learn languages is using the method of Input." ... "If you like to watch movies, DO NOT watch it with subtitles, if you are really wanting to learn. The subtitles are the worst invention ever for the language learnings." ... In short, it make us (at least, it made me) think as if one of the best learning ways is watch movies withou any subtitles. When we do it, we can focus on the sound and we learn new words as a baby would do it. According to this blog, when we are focusing the sound, the brain make "connections" and make us learn. Ok, but my point is: Is it true? Can we really learn just watching, even we don't understand anything of the language? I could realize, when I'm watching without subs, I can really pay attention to the sound but, I don't feel I'm learning. So, what do you think? Does it really works? Thanks for reading. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5640 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 2 of 14 24 September 2010 at 4:18am | IP Logged |
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You will learn some words and some expressions, and how words are used in actual conversation. It will help you with your listening and aural understanding. It's not for fast progress, though. Who the hell wants to learn like a baby? Learn 2-3 words a day when you can learn 2-3 words in 30 seconds as an adult.
Yes, if you do watch native TV/movies, watch without subtitles, but for fast progress, do something else, like reading. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| justberta Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5576 days ago 140 posts - 170 votes Speaks: English, Norwegian* Studies: Indonesian, German, Spanish, Russian | Message 3 of 14 24 September 2010 at 8:16am | IP Logged |
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Seeing as you are both learning Japanese - how would you understand anything initially
without subtitles? Actually I learned a lot using subtitles when my English was at the beginner/intermediate level. However at intermediate/fluent I turned them off and this is how I became truly fluent. I would say if you are struggling with jumping to the next level, for instance from lower to upper intermediate, removing the subs might to wonders. Don't do it if you're a beginner though! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6573 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 4 of 14 24 September 2010 at 8:23am | IP Logged |
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I attribute a large part of my French and English to movie watching. It's very helpful because it's fun, so you can do it for long periods of time. It's pretty useless, however, until you can understand the gist of what is being said. For the beginner it's not recommended. When you do get to a lever where you can use the method, it's even more helpful if you can get subs in the L2 (the language you're learning) that match what is being said. Also, do pause a lot and look words up in a dictionary.
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| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5640 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 5 of 14 24 September 2010 at 2:07pm | IP Logged |
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Yeah, but some people hardly learn anything with subtitles. Years of watching anime and hundreds hours worth of Korean dramas, both with subtitles, and I hardly learned a thing. I learned a lot more when I focused on, you know, that thing called listening to the actual people, instead of just reading the subtitles.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5372 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 6 of 14 24 September 2010 at 3:38pm | IP Logged |
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It would be false to think that a baby would learn a language if someone sat in front of her and just kept talking. There has to be interaction, and the baby will eventually try to express herself, will be corrected constantly and will eventually make sense after a few years of a constant daily study regimen.
I understand more when I disregard the subtitles, but I don't learn more -- I simply pay more attention to the oral. But if you don't know the word, you just won't know the word. Watching shows is just one way to gain exposure, but that alone won't teach you much. I'm not familiar with the input-output method, but if it means listen, read, talk, write, as you say, then that's pretty much what every method out there is trying to get you to do. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ManicGenius Senior Member United States Joined 5472 days ago 288 posts - 420 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, French, Japanese | Message 7 of 14 15 October 2010 at 2:00am | IP Logged |
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This method will work to a degree. At some point a person needs interaction, and some deep encoding to pull off
learning something well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5409 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 8 of 14 16 October 2010 at 2:21am | IP Logged |
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Although I have heard stories of people learning a language by watching a lot of TV and
movies, I doubt it is very effective as a method on its own for the vast majority of people. If you combine watching a lot of TV and movies in a language you want to learn along with actual study of the language then it can certainly become very effective as you will start to notice words and phrases you have already learned being used in context. It will provide practice in listening to the language which is always a good thing as it helps to solidify your knowledge. You can certainly learn some words and phrases after noticing them enough times in context while watching TV or movies but it will only be little bits here and there. I would expect that the more you learn by actively studying, the more things you can pick up from TV and movies as you will understand the context of conversations more and start to notice more patterns. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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