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clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5169 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 9 of 14 27 October 2010 at 1:13pm | IP Logged |
I tried this method with Japanese.
As I wrote in the other post.
And the important thing is, that it's not merely watching, learning grammar and vocabulary is important too.
But you cannot neglect the practice as well (watching movies etc).
I believe it's a good way to learn a language.
Most people reccomend watching it with native subs, actually I don't know many.
But there is one, 日本人の知らない日本語
nihonjin no shiranai nihongo - the Japanese language Japanese people don't know.
It's Japanese drama about foreigners studying Japanese.
It's a new drama and quite enjoyable.
WAtching anime is also good (movies are a bit harder).
Or some video courses.
That will improve your listening skills.
me, I have watched something like 1000 anime.
firstly I could barely understand,(and it was after I studied some years of this language), after watching a lot of anime I can now understand most of their speech, unless they speak in some strange way, or they talk about some too advanced stuff.
Reading manga, is also good, you will see a lot of expressions to learn, new words; but you should try nonetheless, if something intrigues you, you can look up it in dictionary, you can try to guess the meanings anything, just read.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 10 of 14 27 October 2010 at 1:31pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
It would be false to think that a baby would learn a language if someone sat in front of her and just kept talking. There has to be interaction, and the baby will eventually try to express herself, will be corrected constantly and will eventually make sense after a few years of a constant daily study regimen. |
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Not exactly true. I'm told (by university professors) that there are cultures in this world where parents don't talk to their children until their children start talking to them, and while the children start talking later than western children, they catch up extremely quickly. So kids can learn without dialogue, but interaction in general is a different matter. A child will no doubt learn to react and anticipate things that will affect him, which is something the TV can't provide.
So it's difficult to say for sure whether an average child will get an understanding of a language just from TV, or if the medium is just too passive. I suspect the latter, but that's just a personal feeling.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5372 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 11 of 14 27 October 2010 at 3:48pm | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
It would be false to think that a baby would learn a language if someone sat in front of her and just kept talking. There has to be interaction, and the baby will eventually try to express herself, will be corrected constantly and will eventually make sense after a few years of a constant daily study regimen. |
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Not exactly true. I'm told (by university professors) that there are cultures in this world where parents don't talk to their children until their children start talking to them, and while the children start talking later than western children, they catch up extremely quickly. So kids can learn without dialogue, but interaction in general is a different matter. A child will no doubt learn to react and anticipate things that will affect him, which is something the TV can't provide.
So it's difficult to say for sure whether an average child will get an understanding of a language just from TV, or if the medium is just too passive. I suspect the latter, but that's just a personal feeling. |
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Inuits are one such people. However, the claim that they "don't talk to their children" doesn't imply that they never do, only that they are not deliberately trying to speak more to the children. Otherwise, why not just sit kids in front of the TV and put shows in 3 or 4 languages? Because it doesn't work.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 12 of 14 27 October 2010 at 3:56pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
Inuits are one such people. However, the claim that they "don't talk to their children" doesn't imply that they never do, only that they are not deliberately trying to speak more to the children. Otherwise, why not just sit kids in front of the TV and put shows in 3 or 4 languages? Because it doesn't work. |
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I don't think it would work either. But it's difficult to make absolute pronouncements on this because we don't have the data.
My theory is that being involved in the environment is required -- eg a child would have problems learning "cold" from the TV -- but I can't say that for sure.
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6666 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 13 of 14 27 October 2010 at 5:08pm | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
Inuits are one such people. However, the claim that they "don't talk to their children" doesn't imply that they never do, only that they are not deliberately trying to speak more to the children. Otherwise, why not just sit kids in front of the TV and put shows in 3 or 4 languages? Because it doesn't work. |
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I don't think it would work either. But it's difficult to make absolute pronouncements on this because we don't have the data.
My theory is that being involved in the environment is required -- eg a child would have problems learning "cold" from the TV -- but I can't say that for sure. |
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I think this is interesting:
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPag e=online&aid=2728540
Language learning with restricted input: Case studies of two hearing children of deaf parents
Jacqueline Sachs a1
c1, Barbara Bard a2
Marie L. Johnson a3
a1 University of Connecticut
a2 Central Connecticut State College
a3 University of Connecticut
ABSTRACT:
Two hearing children of deaf parents (initially 3;9 and 1;8) had been cared for almost exclusively by their mother, who did not speak or sign to them. Though the older child had heard language from TV and briefly at nursery school, his speech was below age level and structurally idiosyncratic. Intervention led to improvement in his expressive abilities, and by 4;2 the deviant utterance patterns had disappeared. In later years, his spontaneous speech and school performance were normal, though language testing revealed some weak areas. The younger child initially used no speech, but acquired language normally after intervention, with his brother as model. Implications for understanding the role of linguistic input in language development are discussed.
Edited by slucido on 27 October 2010 at 5:16pm
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| LifeLongStudent Diglot Newbie United States focalfox.com/blog Joined 5117 days ago 13 posts - 17 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish
| Message 14 of 14 15 November 2010 at 7:03pm | IP Logged |
I think that interaction, and focused studying, are the best ways to go about learning a language.
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