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| dairwolf Newbie Germany Joined 5154 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: German* | Message 1 of 8 07 October 2010 at 4:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey there, right now I´m coping with a problem that I just can´t get solved. It has to do with the fact that all the material you ever learned has to be reviewed some day. Let´s say you want to learn 10 thousand sentences using an SRS programme. Since you have to review old material, you will eventually come to a point where you have to study a few hours per day in order to learn new material. Am I mistaking about this concept or is it just that you CANNOT learn so many words or sentences in a foreign language without hour long study per day?
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| Paskwc Pentaglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5668 days ago 450 posts - 624 votes  Speaks: Hindi, Urdu*, Arabic (Levantine), French, English Studies: Persian, Spanish | Message 2 of 8 07 October 2010 at 4:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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You have to manage your decks. If you've gotten to a point where you have too many cards
waiting to be reviewed, then stop learning new cards for a while. Also, as you become more familiar with individual cards, you'll be able to review them in two or three seconds, making the whole process faster. That said, I've never had to spend hours and hours on Anki even when I'd skipped a few days worth of reviews. If you find yourself during that, you might want to note how long you spend on each card. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dairwolf Newbie Germany Joined 5154 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: German* | Message 3 of 8 07 October 2010 at 5:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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But even though you have cards that you can do within a few seconds, they don´t vanish, or do they from some point become a part of your memory so much so that you will never have to review them again? It´s not like the older cards or those that I´m used to disappear magically someday, so I still don´t get how you can keep your 10000 entries without spending hours and hours of review. Maybe you can explain to me in more detail how many reviews you do per day and how many entries there are in your deck?
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6900 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 8 07 October 2010 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Cards don't vanish, but they certainly don't appear everyday. I'm opening Anki right now, let me see... Mandarin deck...
I reviewed the deck 16 hours ago, the total amount of cards are 13621 (11104 cards for recognition, plus another 2417 in the "reverse" direction), and the words due today are 307. I've been working with Anki since April 19th 2008, adding cards every now and then (but not too many). Now, two and a half years later, my daily cards are about 300-400. It doesn't take hours to go through them, rather 15-20 minutes (often in one go, but sometimes once at work during a break and then once in the evening). The only time I can see that it will take hours of study time is if you give yourself the lowest score ("Soon") on every card, in which case the interval doesn't increase that much (or at all?). If you constantly fail, they will move to the "Suspended" (and/or "Leech") category and never show up again. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5722 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 6 of 8 07 October 2010 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just yesterday I got caught up on a deck I had ignored for several days. I had 768 reviews scheduled. It took me a couple of hours to get caught up, mostly because this is a deck of sentences with audio, so it took a few seconds per card just to play the audio. And most of those cards are now scheduled to be reviewed next in 2 to 3 months.
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| luhmann Senior Member Brazil Joined 5324 days ago 156 posts - 271 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: Mandarin, French, English, Italian, Spanish, Persian, Arabic (classical) | Message 7 of 8 09 October 2010 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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The ratio between new cards and number of reviews should stabilise over time if you add a fixed amount of new cards per day. So you can actually grow a deck ad infinitum.
For instance, if you rate most of them "good", you may have 10 reviews for every new card, if you rate most of them "easy", you may have only 4 reviews per new card. You should grade in a way to keep you forgetting rate at a comfortable level, and adjust the number of new cards so that you can finish the reviews in the allotted amount of time. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5972 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 8 of 8 10 October 2010 at 11:27am | IP Logged | ||
Yeah, that's the whole point of SRS, a concept devised to help you commit something to your long term memory. In this context, that is achieved when the interval grows so huge that you are not going to see the word again in your lifetime. Depending on the algorithm your SRS program is based on and your age, this can happen with very few reps for really easy words, as few as 8-9 in a lifetime. So the idea of words vanishing couldn't be more graphic. That said, be aware that some programs, although advertised as SRS type, are more a blend of SRS and drilling concepts, and so you're not gonna see this vanishing effect. The difference is probably gonna be in the early and late repetitions. The first thing you should do before start using SRS is examine its algorithm and work out the intervals for some possible scenarios: easy words, difficult words, etc. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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