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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5340 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1 of 9 10 October 2010 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have a resources dilemma for my next language targets. For example I want to learn Russian and Italian but I don't know whether to get my resources in my L2 OR L3 - Czech or Spanish as opposed to my L1 - English.
I think it would be good for maintaining my L2 or L3 at the same time as learning a new one but I'm not sure how well it works. Does anybody have any suggestions and advice? Also, is it wiser to learn eg. Italian through Spanish or through a more different language like Czech or English? And does anybody have any experience with the LEDA series of coursebooks? (found them in the Czech Republic) Thanks in advance 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 2 of 9 10 October 2010 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would normally stick to my native language if at all possible, but I've recently been learning Catalan through French. By using a similar language, it won't take up a lot of space trying to explain the things you already know, just the differences.
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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6133 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 3 of 9 10 October 2010 at 10:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree with Cainntear, I normally stick to material in my L1. However, I recently began using Assimil for Romanian and am learning Romanian in part through French. I think it's beneficial for maintaining the L2/L3/L4 (or whatever), but it also might take slightly more work because you might not understand some of the words that are used in translations, or some of the jokes or grammatical nuances might not make sense. Edited by ellasevia on 10 October 2010 at 10:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5340 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 4 of 9 11 October 2010 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks a lot for the advice. I was thinking those same thoughts about the possible effects of it. I still might do it though, at least for the lower level resources. Does anybody have any extensive experience with this method?
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6900 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 9 12 October 2010 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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Since I finished high school, I've used English (=L2) material for basically everything I've ever wanted to learn. I'm studying all my languages (mainly) through L2 and you could indeed say that I practice my English a lot. Studying through German/Spanish would be more difficult (but probably doable, and at least better than not studying it at all).
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| Lucas Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5158 days ago 85 posts - 130 votes Speaks: French*, English, German, Italian, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 6 of 9 12 October 2010 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would say it could eventually work for slovak (through your czech) and for portuguese
(through your Spanish)...as Cainteer learned catalan through french (though Cainteer would speak better catalan now if he had learned it through English). But it will definitely NOT work for russian and Italian: those two languages are not related enough with the ones you already speak (czech and Spanish)! And if you want to learn really russian or Italian, just don't think about learning one of those languages through another one than English (unless you're already thinking and dreaming in czech and Spanish)! Of course, it could be an interesting exercice of language comparison to "study" russian through czech and Italian through Spanish...but if you really want to speak russian and Italian someday, learn it through English! Conclusion: if I were you (i.e. an English speaker living in czech republik, who knows he'll never masterize russian and Italian), I would learn them through czech and spanish, because it would be more funny and interesting! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 7 of 9 13 October 2010 at 12:52am | IP Logged | ||
I learned Catalan through a French Assimil course, but through comparison with Spanish, Italian and French. I would have learned better through English if the course had assumed a sufficient level of any two of those languages. If not, I would have wasted a lot of time relearning things that I already know. In general though, I do agree that it's better to learn through your first language than some other language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| starst Triglot Senior Member China Joined 5505 days ago 113 posts - 133 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, Japanese, EnglishC2 Studies: FrenchC1, German, Norwegian | Message 8 of 9 13 October 2010 at 3:29am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm a huge fan of the method learning L(n) by L(n-1). I learnt French through English, and plan to learn German through French. I just do this for fun, and it is usually because I get some particularly interesting learning material of my target language but not available in my L1.
Anyway, according to my own experience, it's best to learn a language by that language, e.g. learning French through French. Whatever method you use, I recommend to try to pass into the stage where you can directly use learning materials in your target language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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