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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6666 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 1 of 12 20 October 2010 at 10:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Does anyone know anything about this?
Bilingual-Dichotic Method This is a somewhat specialized technique. Dichotic listening refers to a technique used in the psychology laboratory, whereby a person wearing headphones hears different messages in the left and right ear. The technique has been used with some success in teaching foreign language words - the foreign word is heard in the right ear while simultaneously the native translation is heard in the left ear (most people process speech better in the right ear). The student is instructed to attend to the foreign language word. The student also has a list of the words to read while listening. http://www.memory-key.com/improving/strategies/language/bili ngual-dichotic-method 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5547 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 2 of 12 20 October 2010 at 10:33am | IP Logged | ||
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Sounds painful...
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| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5409 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 3 of 12 20 October 2010 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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I got a hold of a product utilising this technique called Subliminal Japanese a while
back but was put off by the awful sound quality and the fact that giving a single definition for a phrase or word is not a good way of learning vocabulary, especially for Japanese where phrases can be used very differently depending on context and the fact that Japanese has a high incidence of homonyms. It is a similar concept to L-R but brings forth the problem of not seeing words used in context and in only being able to provide one definition of a word or phrase at any one time. It may work to an extent but I wouldn't think it a good idea to be relied upon as a large part of a person's means of building vocabulary but perhaps it could be experimented with. I would expect though that in the time it would take to construct an audio file of a list of words to learn with the stereo effect of having L1 in your left ear and L2 in your right ear and then to try to use the file to learn the words, you could have already learned them through more standard means and probably in less time. Edited by jazzboy.bebop on 20 October 2010 at 6:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| NotKeepingTrack Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5158 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, German | Message 4 of 12 20 October 2010 at 10:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sounds... inefficient. Then again, I am not a very strong auditory learner. I learn best when I am reading/writing (and this goes for any subject, not just languages). But I can see how it *might* be an okay supplement for someone who does learn by hearing. When I am learning new vocabulary in a new language, I will listen to it once or twice to get the pronounciation down, then I will read (for example) the Spanish word off the page while saying the English word in my head, or vice versa. Similar.
However, since there is more to learning a new language than just memorizing vocab, I don't see this as working to get any sort of conversational fluency. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6573 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 5 of 12 21 October 2010 at 5:58am | IP Logged | ||
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I never understood the very common "since only studying vocab won't get you fluent, you shouldn't study vocab out of context" attitude. What's the logic there?
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| BartoG Diglot Senior Member United States confession Joined 5438 days ago 292 posts - 818 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Italian, Spanish, Latin, Uzbek | Message 6 of 12 21 October 2010 at 7:59am | IP Logged | ||
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I got the Subliminal Spanish course (corresponding to the previously mentioned Subliminal Japanese course) some years ago. I didn't get much more from it than a headache. But the tapes for the Spanish course weren't very high quality either.
To answer Ari's question, if I learn a word "out of context" but then see or hear it in context a few times in the next few days, I can benefit from having some conscious knowledge of what it is so that recognizing it in context is easier. But if I'm not exposed to it in the real world, it only exists as a factoid to be summoned consciously, not something I can reflexively retrieve when I want to convey a particular meaning. So the problem with learning vocabulary out of context for me isn't that it won't make me fluent, it's that I won't remember it spontaneously when I need it. Note that this is first person singular - it's offered as a perspective on why some people may not feel they benefit from studying vocabulary out of context, not as an assertion that no one will. With respect to the original matter, English in the left ear, target language in the right, my one concern is again a matter of "experiencing" the vocabulary. If I'm learning Spanish, I don't want to associate "perro" with "dog," consciously or subconsciously. I want want "perro" to make me think of a four-legged fellow wagging his tail. I don't know how you calibrate the sound to make sure the English is far enough below the threshold of conscious hearing that you are generating the idea of the word, rather than the word, as the association with what you're hearing in the target language. Which means while this could be useful for people who do well with vocabulary lists, it wouldn't help me, and with Subliminal Spanish, it didn't. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5409 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 7 of 12 21 October 2010 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | ||
There is certainly nothing wrong with learning vocabulary out of context, it's just that when you compare this kind of subliminal learning to L-R which is a subliminal method of sorts, L-R has the added bonus of learning through context and will give more of an understanding of a word's usage in different situations while learning a word subliminally with only one definition/comparative word in L1, could become misleading and confusing. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| NotKeepingTrack Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5158 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, German | Message 8 of 12 21 October 2010 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | ||
I didn't mean to imply that studying vocabulary was useless, only that it wouldn't work as one's only method to learning a new language. I do think studying vocabulary has it's place in language learning. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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