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moorea21 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5111 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes Studies: Russian
| Message 9 of 14 22 November 2010 at 7:04pm | IP Logged |
"btw, are you a Captain Kirk fan? " Is this an online euphemism for something? Or does the venerable Captain
Shatner speak fluent Russian?!
When you say that flashcards are a temporary tool for you, I take it you mean you like to incorporate and use new
vocabulary quickly, so making the flashcards redundant?
I may make some with sentences on anyway, as there is a rhythm as well as pronunciation to get used to, and the
whole 'hard/soft endings if followed in next word by hard/soft letters' thing....
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6541 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 10 of 14 23 November 2010 at 2:45am | IP Logged |
moorea21 wrote:
"btw, are you a Captain Kirk fan? " Is this an online euphemism for something? Or does the
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It's all about his cool middle name.
moorea21 wrote:
When you say that flashcards are a temporary tool for you, I take it you mean you like to
incorporate and use new
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yes
moorea21 wrote:
I may make some with sentences on anyway, as there is a rhythm as well as pronunciation to get
used to, and the
whole 'hard/soft endings if followed in next word by hard/soft letters' thing.... |
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Sounds like a good usage for sentences. Best of luck!
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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6263 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 11 of 14 25 November 2010 at 11:42am | IP Logged |
moorea21 wrote:
It's by the same chap, he used to lecture in Russian at Bristol University, up the road from me. No longer there
unfortunately. I agree his books are well written, and approachable for a slow learner like me. But alas no flash
cards, electronic or otherwise!
I have found software with Russian audio flash cards, though, by a company called 'Declan' I have to run it on
my pc rather than my mac, which is a shame as the sound card in the pc is poor, so I can't tell how good the
audio quality is.
Also, it doesn't do spaced repetition like Anki. But I'll try it and see...
I notice you speak Turkish;- That's the other language that interests me; a gateway to the other Turkic
languages? I find central Asia and Eastern Europe fascinating. I have a Turkish friend who struck up a
conversation with a Kazakh without any difficulty. But then she is Turkish! Nice people though.
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A gateway to some of them. Azerbaijani and perhaps Turkmen are more or less mutually intelligible with the standard Turkish of Turkey. As you get further out, the grammar and especially the vocabulary become more different. Uzbek, I understand, has lost vowel harmony, probably as a result of Persian influence. Turkish is sometimes studied and spoken in post-USSR Turkic states, but I would not have thought Turkish and Kazakh were all that close, though certainly related to each other.
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| moorea21 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5111 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes Studies: Russian
| Message 12 of 14 26 November 2010 at 5:09pm | IP Logged |
Hmm...
I met a woman who spoke Tatar, she said she could understand Turkish easily, but they couldn't understand her
language that easily. She also said they liked to hear her speak Tatar as it amused them! Same but different, I
suppose. Her friend with her was Kazakh, but she didn't say anything, so I still don't know what Kazakh sounds
like...
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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6263 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 13 of 14 27 November 2010 at 4:33pm | IP Logged |
moorea21 wrote:
Hmm...
I met a woman who spoke Tatar, she said she could understand Turkish easily, but they couldn't understand her
language that easily. She also said they liked to hear her speak Tatar as it amused them! Same but different, I
suppose. Her friend with her was Kazakh, but she didn't say anything, so I still don't know what Kazakh sounds
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Asymmetric intelligibility, where there is some degree of comprehension but more one way than the other.
The partial comprehension of another language might be like that poem Jabberwocky which is basically English, but with enough made-up and mysterious words to make full comprehension difficult if not impossible. I suspect that is how hearing Uzbek or Tatar might come across to a Turkish speaker.
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| moorea21 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5111 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes Studies: Russian
| Message 14 of 14 27 November 2010 at 5:36pm | IP Logged |
That's some new terminology for me.
I often get the impression that I understand the sense of a spoken sentence in a language that I barely know, but I
think that may well be an illusion. Human pattern recognition, or maybe just picking up on the changes in tone and
emphasis on words probably feed into this. On the other hand, I know how impossible it is to understand
something if you start by thinking you really can't. So some level of confidence is necessary.
One thing that gets lost when learning a language is the sense of language as music, I find. Comprehension is
sometimes less beautiful than lack of comprehension, and I think that sense of being mesmerised by sounds that
don't make sense is where my motivation to learn Russian comes from. A Polish friend of mine used to love English
pop music before she learned English: I think she was disappointed to find how banal the lyrics are!
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