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| JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5758 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish | Message 1 of 24 09 May 2011 at 9:10am | IP Logged | ||
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I suppose all of you have made lots of lists. Can you tell which ones have really proved useful and why ?
I mean: I don't like alphabetical lists for learning, I prefer them to be thematic or conceptual. I'd like to hear about the kind of lists you consider extremely useful and why. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6573 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 2 of 24 09 May 2011 at 9:55am | IP Logged | ||
Don't be so quick with the supposin'! I suppose some of us have hardly made a list in our language learning carreers. Can't stand 'em, myself. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5758 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish | Message 3 of 24 09 May 2011 at 10:09am | IP Logged | ||
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Ggreat, but then: how do you learn languages. As a teacher I feel the urge to come up with all kinds of lists, but I am trying to explore the way in which I can present words in a meaningful way: what selections? Like in a dictionary or in texts ? Etc.
How do you manage without lists - be it a dictionary? Edited by JanKG on 09 May 2011 at 10:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6573 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 4 of 24 09 May 2011 at 10:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Ideally I have a text with audio and a translation. I use a dictionary to look up unfamiliar words and then I use an SRS to memorize them. If the provider of the text is good (like ChinesePod or Yabla), there will be a click-to-translate function, sparing me the trouble of looking up each word separately. If there's no such function, there are usually programs that can do that for me (such as Pleco for Mandarin). In the beginning, if it's an unfamiliar language, I'll need grammar explanations, too, but if it's not too distant from a language I know, I can usually make do without, maybe with some help from a grammar book.
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| JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5758 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish | Message 5 of 24 09 May 2011 at 10:53am | IP Logged | ||
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I see: you are using texts then mainly. But is your aim to learn to speak the language ?
I must admit I have been focusing on words that refer to basics in life and can be used metaphorically (learnt from Lakoff's 'Living By Metaphors'). Whether that is didactically so very interesting, I don't know, but it is fascinating. I have just been focusing on the word 'fruitful' in the metaphorical meaning, and all the words relating to fertility. Whether didactically useful, don't know, but somehow fascinating... (Just like the link between 'gebruik' [use] and 'fruit' in Dutch) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Haukilahti Triglot Groupie Finland Joined 4955 days ago 94 posts - 126 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Polish | Message 6 of 24 09 May 2011 at 10:59am | IP Logged | ||
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You can also do without both lists and srs.
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| JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5758 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish | Message 7 of 24 09 May 2011 at 11:05am | IP Logged | ||
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I am sorry: srs ?
But then: how do you manage? I mean: I happen to be trying to learn Finnish sometimes (though for the time being I am mainly enjoying exploring word-building in Finnish ;-)), but I cannot imagine how I can manage to learn it without lists. I have been using tourist leaflets but then I still seem to need lists I make myself in order to remember --- and even then your language is so... exotic that it does not really seem to help. how do you manage then? What is your trick? What would you advise me to do if I wish not to use traditional textbooks, etc., as I'd like to explore how I learn a language as well... (I know, I am making things complex but that is more... interesting) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6573 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 8 of 24 09 May 2011 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | ||
I find that a good passive ability is easy to activate if given the chance. I don't work on my active skills until I need them. When I got to China, it took me a couple of days to get my active skills going, but then I had few problems (I'd been studying for a few years without talking to anyone). There are methods like shadowing and what Arekkusu (?) once called "explorer mode" that can train your production skills, too. I guess you could call SRS a kind of list, I guess. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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