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| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes  Studies: French | Message 25 of 54 08 February 2012 at 2:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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Un autre extrait, celui-ci assez court, pour la traduction: VLADIMIR: And you are Pozzo? POZZO: Certainly I am Pozzo. VLADIMIR: The same as yesterday? POZZO: Yesterday? VLADIMIR: We met yesterday. (Silence.) Do you not remember? POZZO: I don't remember having met anyone yesterday. But tomorrow I won't remember having met anyone today. So don't count on me to enlighten you. Edited by Spanky on 08 February 2012 at 3:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 26 of 54 09 February 2012 at 8:44am | IP Logged | |||||
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My translation, courtesy of wordreference.com (which is reliable) and my brain (which
is not): VLADIMIR: Et vous êtes Pozo? POZZO: Certainement je m’appelle Pozzo VLADIMIR: De la même manière que hier? POZZO: Hier? VLADIMIR: Nous nous avons recontré hier (Silence). Vous ne vous souvenez pas? POZZO: Je ne me souviens pas d’avoir rencontrer personne hier. Mais demain je ne me souviendrai personne aujourd’hui. Donc, ne m’attendez pas à vous en rappeler. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 27 of 54 09 February 2012 at 8:46am | IP Logged | |||||
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Beckett's original text:
VLADIMIR: Et vous, vous êtes Pozo? POZZO: Certainement, je suis Pozo. VLADIMIR: Les mêmes qu’hier? POZZO: Qu’hier? VLADIMIR: On s’est vus hier (Silence) Vous ne vous rappelez pas? POZZO: Je ne me rappelle avoir rencontré personne hier. Mais demain je ne me rappellerai avoir rencontré personne aujourd’hui. Ne comptez donc pas sur moi pour renseigner. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 28 of 54 09 February 2012 at 8:58am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't fully understand the phrase "On s’est vus hier" for "We met
yesterday" (but then again, if I made a list of everything in life I don't understand, I would be typing for some time). Edited by Spanky on 09 February 2012 at 8:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5698 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 29 of 54 09 February 2012 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I find it interesting that Beckett wrote "Les mêmes qu'hier?" To what plural do you think he is referring? Or is it just an idiomatic thing in French to say that about one person?
My understanding of "On s'est vus hier" is that it's literally "We saw each other yesterday". He's using the general form "on" for "we", and the reflexive (each other) can be seen in the "s'"; it takes être in the past because it's a reflexive verb, and the plural s is added to "vu" because the object (s') comes before the conjugated verb (est). Not sure if this is entirely right, but it's my attempt at an explanation! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 30 of 54 10 February 2012 at 1:53am | IP Logged | |||||
Yep, that is an odd one, though it being Beckett, everything bears some potential for oddity. Unless it is idiomatic, it does seem to cry out for quelque chose entre "Les mêmes..." et "... qu'hier":, if only through implied reference to something previously discussed. I googled the phrase, which mostly just sent me back to this log, so it does not seem to be a common stand-alone phrase absent some prior thing being referenced.
Vielen Dank, Jinx - I had forgotten entirely about the use of être in reflexive situations. This makes sense now. Edited by Spanky on 10 February 2012 at 3:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 31 of 54 11 February 2012 at 9:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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"Faites entrer les yeux
Pensées de s'écraser Toutes ces photos Faites entrer les pensées de Jean de Dieu Faites entrer les rêves Amoureux sur les coins Nettoyez mes feuilles Votre seule chance est de casser la banque Nous sommes propres Ne demandez pas Je suis un agent Faites entrer le changement secrétaires Rien de plus Vous pouvez être remplacé Vous savez Faites entrer le hasard Les mauvaises conditions Parlez de partir Discutez de me quitter Entrez vous Faites entrer la douleur Faites entrer les mensonges Faites entrer les mots que je crois Entrez vous Il suffit de regarder le visage Vous êtes sûr de voir quelque chose Vendre la méche" I am agent (Gary Numan) (Non, désolé Gary, ce n'est pas la même chose en français. Pas de tout.) Edited by Spanky on 11 February 2012 at 10:20am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5961 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 32 of 54 11 February 2012 at 9:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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I am still plugging away, slowly but methodically at German. The linked clip seems to
best (well, at least obliquely, which oddly is often best) sum up my German studies at present: Telekon (Gary Numan) "Where is my outline I start to fade No concentration means 'fail' these days I leave the table saying 'I am real' I feel the pressure like your eyes on me Don't mention that name and books on love I can't be sure, I can't be sure You end on reel one You end on reel one You quote from 'anxious' and things we do I need protection from the likes of you Do you begin to see that I don't know I live on memories that are hard to find Send me a card and write 'I think of you' I'll say you lied, I'll say you're lying You are, you are..." (though at this point, I'm automatically thinking "Sie sind, Sie sind" so perhaps progress is being made after all.... Edited by Spanky on 11 February 2012 at 10:23am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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