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| COF Senior Member United States Joined 5822 days ago 262 posts - 354 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 10 18 April 2012 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have read that in informal speech, "Het" isn't used anymore, the Dutch just use "de" for everything?
Is this true? To what extent has this happened? Is it all over the Netherlands or just parts? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5590 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 2 of 10 18 April 2012 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that in the north the feminine nouns are lost.
They say: "De koe, HIJ geeft milk." In the south, words like "kat", "jeugd", "wet", "parochie","de bakkerij" are still "zij": "De koe, ZIJ geeft milk". About a weakening of neutral nouns I have never heard before. But ask better native speakers. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Martinovich Triglot Newbie Netherlands admartinovich.wordpr Joined 5035 days ago 27 posts - 32 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Russian Studies: Turkish, Belarusian, Persian | Message 3 of 10 18 April 2012 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As far as I know, this isn't true. I still use 'het huis', 'het boek', 'het kind' in my everyday speech. And I don't think I've encountered any native speaker using "de" instead of "het".
But I wouldn't rule out that in some dialects they don't use "de" any more. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4694 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 4 of 10 18 April 2012 at 4:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am not sure, not being a native speaker, but when living in Utrecht last fall I did not notice anything of the sort you
are describing. On the contrary, people would often correct my genders if I made a mistake. It seemed obvious that it attracted attention. Of course I also do not rule out small dialects having their own rules. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jintro Diglot Newbie Belgium Joined 5863 days ago 16 posts - 32 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: German, French | Message 5 of 10 18 April 2012 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I can't speak for the Netherlands but in Belgian-Dutch they are not disappearing. It is true that newer learners of the language have problems with gender (de/het and related die/dat), so it is common with immegrant populations to confuse the two. Generally the confusion disapears with the second generation.
De lack of genders is however part of the cité-slang in the Limburg mining region. But that doesn't influence language used in formal occasions (work etc.). Edited by jintro on 18 April 2012 at 4:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| nimchimpsky Diglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 5602 days ago 73 posts - 108 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English | Message 6 of 10 18 April 2012 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
It extends only to ethnic minorities and second language learners. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ReQuest Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5023 days ago 200 posts - 228 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Spanish | Message 7 of 10 18 April 2012 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
I can confirm this ;) 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4698 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 8 of 10 19 April 2012 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Definitely isn't true, although the wigga yout would like to think it is :)
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