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CJoQ
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Studies: Mandarin

 
 Message 1 of 6
27 April 2012 at 8:33pm | IP Logged 
Hi everyone,

I am currently in the very early stages of learning Mandarin, however at the moment I
have been working with the idea that I should only be able to 'speak what I can also
write'. However, the time it takes to memorise stroke orders far outweighs the time it
takes for me to learn how to say a pronounce a word and its tone.

Is there any problem with learning how to speak at a faster pace and then revert back
to learning how to write afterwards, in a trailing fashion?

The reason I ask is because its quite a slow process learning both the written and
spoken at the same time.

What are your thoughts?
Thanks
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geoffw
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 Message 2 of 6
27 April 2012 at 9:03pm | IP Logged 
Not that I endorse "learn like a child" methods generally, but isn't that what every native speaker does?
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Arekkusu
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Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto
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 Message 3 of 6
27 April 2012 at 9:21pm | IP Logged 
CJoQ wrote:
Hi everyone,

I am currently in the very early stages of learning Mandarin, however at the moment I
have been working with the idea that I should only be able to 'speak what I can also
write'. However, the time it takes to memorise stroke orders far outweighs the time it
takes for me to learn how to say a pronounce a word and its tone.

Is there any problem with learning how to speak at a faster pace and then revert back
to learning how to write afterwards, in a trailing fashion?

The reason I ask is because its quite a slow process learning both the written and
spoken at the same time.

What are your thoughts?
Thanks

I started learning Japanese using romaji, specifically because I didn't want to wait until I could read and write. Writing is an artificial part of language -- the real language is spoken. However, to avoid overwhelming problems later, I'd continue learning characters in parallel.
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geoffw
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 Message 4 of 6
27 April 2012 at 9:28pm | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
Writing is an artificial part of language -- the real language is spoken.


Itching for another written vs. spoken pie fight, I see...
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LaughingChimp
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27 April 2012 at 10:45pm | IP Logged 
I think there shouldn't be any problems - as geoffw said, every native speaker learns to speak first.

Edited by LaughingChimp on 27 April 2012 at 10:46pm

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clumsy
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Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese
Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish
Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi

 
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29 April 2012 at 1:26am | IP Logged 
Most textbooks use characters with pinyin under.
Nǐ qù Běijīng Fàndiàn gàn shénme?
你去北京饭店干什么?
So it's not a big problem!


The first words foreigners learn in Chinese are not the ones that use the simplest characters, and it's important to learn from the basics when it comes to characters, so I think it's good to separate hanzi learning with other stuff.

我 maening 'I, me' is hard to learn, but it's used very often (like in English the word 'I' is)



but if you know the radicals the thing is much easier to remember.



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