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 Message 41 of 66
26 June 2012 at 1:07am | IP Logged 
COF wrote:
I find that Americans in general are quite arrogant about their own version of English, "American English" and regard it as superior to British English and other forms of English.

If you look at Amazon reviews for the Teach Yourself courses, one of the most common complaints from Americans is the use of British English over American English. If they don't want to hear British English, perhaps they shouldn't buy a British made course?

In fact, many Americans actually suggest other courses that use American English, because for what ever reason it seems most Americans can't bear to listen to any other accent other than an American one.


I don't know why you would consider this a sign of "superiority;" it could be more a sign of simply looking for the product that is easiest for them to understand. I have, in fact, known many Americans who find it a bit difficult to understand British accents. You must remember Americans are exposed to British accents far less than the British are exposed to American ones in general. Why not try to find the easiest-to-use product to pay your money for?

At any rate, I have heard complaints before about British accents from Americans, and some Americans do, I think unfairly myself, see the RP accent as a little "uppity" or arrogant. But really I've never in my life heard an American say that American English is superior to British English.

In fact, I've run into many Americans who consider British accents to be superior to American ones. Many here consider RP to be classy and sophisticated. Others consider British (and esp. Australian) accents to be different and "cool." I remember a kid in my high school spoke with a British accent and most of the other students thought the way he spoke was really cool. It made him more popular, not less.

If I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to put the worst possible interpretation onto what you read, nor to draw broad, far-reaching conclusions from some online product reviews. You're liable to be wrong.
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 Message 42 of 66
26 June 2012 at 8:54am | IP Logged 
Every American I've heard speak on the subject is either indifferent or (more often) favorable toward British accents and toward non-American native English accents more generally. I've never heard someone call them inferior or snobby. Some such people may exist, but I have never met one.

Edited by tastyonions on 26 June 2012 at 8:55am

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 Message 43 of 66
26 June 2012 at 9:42pm | IP Logged 
Most Americans don't really know what British people actually sound like. The British accent most Americans hear is RP, which is not how real British people speak.

In fact, I'm not sure most Americans would immediately identify most non-RP accents as being British.

In my opinion, the closest thing Americans hear to a "typical" contempary British accent is the singer Adele.

Edited by COF on 26 June 2012 at 9:43pm

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 Message 44 of 66
28 June 2012 at 4:59am | IP Logged 
As an American, I think that a lot of what people see as British English being "uppity" actually stems from the depth and richness of British history that we in America simply don't have. We were raised on fairy tales, and it's the British accent that evokes images of kings and queens and castles. So "uppity," I think, is actually "classy," and "proper" to a level that we simply don't have in America.

Also, in general, British accents are perceived very positively in America. There's a reason why bartenders with British accents always get more tips :)

I've had trouble with some language books that work in British English. There are so many false cognates! "Flannel" was the first to cause me to make a rather silly error, and quite a few others have followed. So in general, I prefer to work with American English. That way I won't tell somebody about my "flannel" shirt, which apparently came across as a shirt made of facecloths when it has a very different meaning in the U.S.

I have several British friends, and I'm certainly amazed at how differently they talk, especially considering Britain's size relative to the U.S.
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 Message 45 of 66
28 June 2012 at 12:10pm | IP Logged 
COF wrote:
Also, if you learn General American, you will be understood perfectly in
the UK as well, so really there is no advantage to trying to emulate any other accent
and style of speech.


Yeah, I can really see your point on this one COF. I was in Florida only a few weeks
ago (I'm English by the way) and not a single person could hear a word we were saying
due to our English accents. Obviously, my wife being a lawyer, is very snobby and
uptight and therefore it was especially difficult for being to understand her... oh
hang on a minute, how silly of me, they could actually understand everything we said,
all of the time perfectly well. In fact quite a lot of people actually said how much
they loved my accent (even if a couple of them did think we were Australian!) lol. How
completely moronic and ill educated to think that only US accents can be understood
world wide!

tastyonions wrote:
Every American I've heard speak on the subject is either
indifferent or (more often) favorable toward British accents and toward non-American
native English accents more generally. I've never heard someone call them inferior or
snobby. Some such people may exist, but I have never met one.


Totally agree, as per the above.

I have to say that I have been very impressed whilst I've been reading this post, as in
many/most other forums, it would soon have turned hostile and the thread would probably
have been closed. It is quite refreshing that despite the obvious attempt by the OP to
turn native speakers of the English language from various countries against each other,
people have managed to turn it into an intellectual thread on the origins of the
American accent which I actually find quite fascinating.


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 Message 46 of 66
28 June 2012 at 12:22pm | IP Logged 
kira428 wrote:
I've had trouble with some language books that work in British English.
There are so many false cognates! "Flannel" was the first to cause me to make a rather
silly error, and quite a few others have followed. So in general, I prefer to work
with American English. That way I won't tell somebody about my "flannel" shirt, which
apparently came across as a shirt made of facecloths when it has a very different
meaning in the U.S.


Haha, I love these sort of differences. There are quite a few words/phrases that have completely different meanings in British English than in American English. A couple of
my favourites (they are quite crude, but I suppose that's what makes them funny) are
fanny packs (fanny in Britain has a VERY different meaning). Also the word fag, which
in Britain actually means cigarette. Oh, I forgot bogey, which in Britain is not a
pleasant thing! hehe

Sorry, I know they are crude and not in keeping with the forum but it is quite funny
nevertheless ;-)
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 Message 47 of 66
28 June 2012 at 12:58pm | IP Logged 
and then there is the pronunciation of 'buoy'....
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 Message 48 of 66
28 June 2012 at 1:30pm | IP Logged 
Elexi wrote:
and then there is the pronunciation of 'buoy'....


Ahh yes, in the US isn't it pronounced "boo-ee"? UK is 'boy'

Also heard someone talking about faucets once on the TV and I had no idea what they were
talking about. I realised that they were referring to taps after I had looked it up on
the net. lol

I would love to know the origins of some of these quite significant differences.


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