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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5847 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 17 of 38 28 June 2012 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, my aim is speaking fluency!
Therefore I am not so motivated to take up my Latin again! I would have nobody to speak it with. As in my example of Turkish, if I can't reach ANY speaking fluency I am willing to give up the study project, because speaking is essential for me. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 28 June 2012 at 4:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 18 of 38 28 June 2012 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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No, my main goal is being able to understand foreign languages. Being able to write and speak is the next step. That's why I think the Assimil method is a good way of learning a language.
Of course, to reach basic fluency in every language I learn would be the ultimate goal, but I'm not actively striving for that. Sometimes, I will get bored by a language and stop studying it. Sometimes, I will be satisfied with the level I have reached and stop studying. Sometimes, I will shy away from all the effort that would be necessary to get to a higher level. That's all fine by me. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 19 of 38 28 June 2012 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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In the long run certainly, but writing is a more important goal at first. When I can write (and think) fluently, learning to speak is quite easy.
Even if I need to speak, it makes little sense without understanding what people reply so listening fluency is a more important goal. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6943 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 20 of 38 28 June 2012 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | ||
One can read in a way that will result in the language being internalized. I would still refrain from reading without listening, but for different reasons. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5585 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 21 of 38 28 June 2012 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've laid out a plan for language learning (for my life) so that I have something to head towards.
Native Language: English Native-like Fluency: German, Spanish, Russian. (I'm not going for sounding like a native, but I want to be able to read/write/watch tv and have conversations about anything without hesitation or error. Like live in the country without needing a dictionary) C1: French and Italian B2: Portuguese that's honestly all I want to conquer in my lifetime. I hope to be done "learning" with German, Spanish and Russian by the time I'm 30 (10 years) you're never really done learning but I hope to be at a C2 level with each of them. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| zerrubabbel Senior Member United States Joined 4600 days ago 232 posts - 287 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 22 of 38 28 June 2012 at 9:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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never initially... first off, fluency is a big thing to go after, and with new languages,
its hard to determine where I want to spend my time... with liking some languages more than others or perhaps functionality in some cases... there are many languages I like, but I dont see enough lifetime left to get them all there (Im not saying im going to die tomorrow, just, languages will keep my busy for the rest of my life, and I have to choose which ones get more or less attention from me) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kronos Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5261 days ago 186 posts - 452 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 23 of 38 28 June 2012 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Not in the first place, though it would be welcome, and if opportunity arises I might go for it in any language I may be studying.
However with English I have experienced that my speaking ability, though sufficient for normal conversation and everyday purposes, falls so far behind my verbal skills in my mother tongue that I have come to regard fluency as something convenient rather than intrinsically enjoyable once the "I-can-do-it" novelty feeling wears off. If I have a good reason to talk, or got personally close to native speakers in a language I have learned to some degree, things might be different. By default I am content with passive use. Regarding active skills, before attempting to speak I want to be able to think in a language, i.e. run internal monologues; once I am able to do so speaking and writing become viable options. Of course people are different, and many prefer to speak and communicate right from the outset. Not me. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kenney90 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5872 days ago 24 posts - 39 votes | Message 24 of 38 28 June 2012 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes.
In my opinion, the spoken language is much more important than the written language. However, speaking is much harder than listening and reading in your target language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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