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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6151 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 1 of 20 06 July 2012 at 11:50am | IP Logged |
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This maybe a variant of the input versus output debate. Do you think repeated passive exposure to vocabulary and grammar leads to an active ability to use them correctly? Or do you need to start actively using them at the earliest stages? I'm not talking about passive learning where you just listen or read picking up the gist, but fully deciphering texts and audio to extract their meaning.
I've found that repeated exposure leads to an ability where the language sounds wrong if it's incorrect, but does this mean I'm always producing it correctly. I'm not sure. A lot of vocabulary sticks after it's seen in various contexts, but is this more efficient than actively learning wordlists and flash cards? What are you thoughts? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5256 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 2 of 20 06 July 2012 at 1:03pm | IP Logged |
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You need to learn definitely, though passive exposure sure helps a lot.
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| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5391 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 3 of 20 06 July 2012 at 3:51pm | IP Logged |
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In my experience I'd say "kind of". I find myself using an expression in speech or in writing but I don't
know if I'm using it correctly and so I end up looking it up to make sure (or if speaking I use the upward question inflection in my voice and pause to see if my conversation partner reacts). So it does eventually seep into my active language but I typically need an active confirmation to use it confidently. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5669 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 4 of 20 06 July 2012 at 8:22pm | IP Logged |
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The most important thing here is not necessarily what you do, but what that causes to happen in your head.
When I was a complete language dunce, passive listening did close to nothing in terms of helping me with active vocabulary (heck, it hardly helped me even with passive vocabulary). After a few years of language learning, something has clearly been happening in my brain, since I find that just listening to stuff sparks thoughts in my brain without effort, and causes spontaneous rehearsal of active output (mostly silently, but not always). This is why I am increasingly of the opinion that it is really hard to give language-learning advice to people, unless you are very aware of their experience and (this is really hard) how their own brain will react to the steps you are proposing. 8 persons have voted this message useful | |
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 5 of 20 06 July 2012 at 10:53pm | IP Logged |
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Well, I've been doing a lot of L-R lately. I am not sure if you count this as passive
exposure. But anyway, I was asking myself the question: is this helping me to think in my TL? And the answer was: I'm not sure. But what it does seem to be doing is cause TL words or phrases to suddenly pop into my head while I'm going about my everyday business (i.e. not in language-learning mode, especially), and in my head, I can hear the native language speaker on the recording saying the word or phrase, and sometimes I repeat it. I don't know if I'm getting it right, but I suspect (and hope) that the more I do this, the more correct it will become. I haven't voted, and probably won't, because I have no idea. But I'm interested in the answer, if there is one. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 6 of 20 06 July 2012 at 11:43pm | IP Logged |
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I voted for yes, because in my experience it does. Especially with reading, imo.
A great example that this works is LR, by the way. I think for me reading is often the *final straw* (in a good way!!!) that makes passive input useful for active skills. Having a network of related languages in your head also speeds that up. Edited by Serpent on 06 July 2012 at 11:44pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 7 of 20 07 July 2012 at 12:02am | IP Logged |
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No. Even though you may be able to passively hear noise, this doesn't magically transform
into knowledge of the language. You need to actively understand all the parts before you can actually understand passive speech. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 8 of 20 07 July 2012 at 12:38am | IP Logged |
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There's no such thing as passive speech. and nobody says it shouldn't be "active understanding" or that you can magically learn while listening (only) in your sleep. Passive in this context just means listening and reading as opposed to speaking and writing (including exercises where you don't produce an entire utterance). It's been suggested that "receptive skills" is a more appropriate term. Edited by Serpent on 07 July 2012 at 12:39am 7 persons have voted this message useful |
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