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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4701 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes  Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 1 of 17 15 July 2012 at 5:19am | IP Logged | ||
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..while reading through a bunch of posts.. people seem to hoard data and _administrate_ their target languages instead of learning them.
Flash cards, word lists, text files with grammar rules, phrases.. Did you ever think about it? Feels kind of weird. I wonder if we wouldn't be better off doing away with parts of that, to make our brains aware of the fact they better _learn_ that stuff or it will be lost (until we stumble upon it again some time). That's kinda what killed ANKI for me. When I entered words, they were mine - they never entered my brain, but I felt (too) safe. Edited by Fasulye on 15 July 2012 at 7:29am 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| freakyaye Senior Member Australia Joined 4838 days ago 107 posts - 152 votes | Message 2 of 17 15 July 2012 at 5:23am | IP Logged | ||
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you're right, I have 50 different ways to study French, but I won't :-)
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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 17 15 July 2012 at 5:27am | IP Logged | ||
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I plead (partly) innocent. My wordlists are made for memorizing, not for hoarding. Once I have finished a wordlist and revised it (or checked it against an original source text) I put it away on a shelf, and I rarely go back to an old wordlist because I prefer making new ones. Edited by Iversen on 15 July 2012 at 5:27am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4533 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 4 of 17 15 July 2012 at 8:54am | IP Logged | ||
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I don't quite get your point. I use Anki every day and it's helped me, in conjunction with other techniques, to improve my language comprehension a great deal.
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| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6903 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 5 of 17 15 July 2012 at 11:06am | IP Logged | ||
For me, the words aren't mine until I've learned them. You should use SRS for repetitions ainstead of just adding new words. That's why I love SRS so much: it literally makes you repeat words and learn. In the case of traditional notebooks, word lists, random vocabulary files on my computer etc., I would often write new words down and never go back to them. SRS doesn't allow me to do that and that's what's so great about it. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| nuriayasmin70 Diglot Senior Member Germany languagesandbeyoRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4521 days ago 132 posts - 162 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: SpanishB1, Portuguese, Czech, Hungarian | Message 6 of 17 15 July 2012 at 11:57am | IP Logged | ||
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I don't use ANKI at the moment because my language learning software includes a vocabulary trainer which is much better but when I used ANKI I found it quite useful. It reminded me every day how many words I had to repeast and when there were too many, I just repeated and didn't add any new words. Vocabulary has to be repeated and not just added, that would be a waste of time.
However, I used to have another problem concerning hoarding material. I once had the tendency to buy three or four different courses for the same language because I thought it would be good to have more exercises and read different explanations for a certain aspect of grammar. As a result it took me ages to make progress and I lost my motivation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5532 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 17 15 July 2012 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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If I put stuff in Anki, I learn it and remember it. I'm not inclined to argue with
anything that works so well. Mind you, I no longer do L1<->L2 vocabulary flash cards in Anki; I've long sinced moved onto formats with more L2 context and almost no L1. So my Anki reviews mostly involve reading interesting sentences and maybe filling in some blanks. There's a natural rhythm to how I use Anki. For example, I'm in the middle of a 30-day listening comprehension project. - At the beginning, I was taking dictation and listening closely to French audio. But this was hard to do every day. Some days I'd put it off until evening and couldn't find all the pieces or the energy required to do a good job. - I spent a day hacking together some scripts and made 100+ Anki cards. Each contains a recording of some tricky dialog, with a transcription on the back. - I told Anki to give me 15 new cards per day. I listen to these and check my understanding against the transcription. All I need to do this is my phone and some 10- minute blocks without background noise. When I get a couple free hours, I can create another stack of cards. So Anki makes effective use of both big blocks of focused time, and bits and pieces of low-quality time. And the repetition just keeps grinding away—each time I see a card, the heavily reduced speech seems more and more natural.
Over at AJATT, one of khatzumoto's readers observed that he had become a logistics officer. He spend a lot of time arranging for interesting Japanese content to show up at his door on a regular basis—searching for vendors, reading reviews, placing orders, and so on. I know the feeling. If I want all kinds of interesting French books, TV shows and websites at my fingertips, there's a lot of logistics involved. But so far, it's working really well. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5009 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 8 of 17 15 July 2012 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am partially guilty. When I found this forum and even slightly before, I was hoarding
learning material and I had a (small) trouble with wanderlust. The latter is in my opinion quite typical of younger people and understandable, especially if you are temporarily feeling a lack of success in your life. But neither of these was a serious attempt to get wonderful skills by hoarding and "owning" resources, it was more the need to explore what is out there. When it fulfilled my expectations, it ended naturally. Yes, had I used the time to study one language, I might have learnt more but I am not sure. The long-term results of this exploring era: 1.I know what languages I want to learn and I no longer feel the need to learn too much at once. I am focusing on current few and when I feel like it (doesn't matter whether in a month or a year or a decade), I will easily choose the next one. 2.I have learnt a lot of things about various languages and cultures which I take as an enrichment of my education. 2.I know really well what kind of resources I need. I am now learning much better than if I would have started before exploring the ground first. I do not waste my time with things that are bad or I just take the useful pieces. 3.I have learnt a lot about learning in general which has already helped me immensely both with language and with university studies. I have discovered SRS, mindmaps, a lot of info on time management and staying motivated, a lot about handling stress etc. I would have found nothing of this without using languages as lab rats and "hoarding" as a way to explore extensively. So briefly: I believe the hoarding process can be beneficial as long as you know when to stop. 6 persons have voted this message useful |
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