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| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6601 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 17 of 49 30 September 2011 at 1:43am | IP Logged | |||||
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Today I’ve actually done the exercises in the course book. Doing exercises actually aid learning! Though when it
comes to the verbs I think I will have to write paradigms over and over again ad nauseam. I also found some pre made card decks for flashcard programmes on-line *yay* so that I can use my time for exercises rather than putting the vocabulary into anki. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6601 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 18 of 49 28 October 2011 at 2:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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So… I ain’t gonna let this one die! The burden I’ve had have lessened a bit and my depression seems to be, albeit
slowly, moving from my infected mind. Sadly the material we use in the lectures is, in my opinion, horrible. I will supplement with another book that I like, and I’ve bought a book that is said to use the so-called inductive approach. I have no idea what that mean (is this a correct subjunctive?), but, it seems to contrast to the deductive approach used by most other books (i.e. the ones I am using now). As for cuneiform my hand is getting better and better. I’m thinking about doing the scriptorium thing to practise my pronunciation and my knowledge of signs. It’s like using man’yougana but which chisels instead of brush strokes… Cuneiform is a mess, really, but somehow yet a beautiful mess somewhat cooler and funnier than chinese signs. Due to the fact that sumerian has a different structure than chinese has it has turned out somewhat different and the usage of phonological complements and determinatives are very different. In chinese the one sign one syllable is a very important principe, but, in cuneiform this does not exist. The sumerians had closed syllables which they wrote with a Cv and a vC sign, thus, kak would be written ka.ak. Tomorrow I will be explaining the method for vocabulary training that I’ve come up with. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6524 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 19 of 49 28 October 2011 at 7:02am | IP Logged | |||||
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This thread rocks my pants and you are the uncrowned king of Awesome.
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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6620 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 20 of 49 31 October 2011 at 8:38am | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh! I didn't know you started Akkadian. We have Akkadian at UiO as well, and one of my friends is taking the first class this semester and is quite enthusiastic about it. How many classes are available over there?
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 songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5151 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 49 01 November 2011 at 7:16am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm following this with interest. It had never previously occurred to me there might be classes in the ancient Mesopotamian languages - but of course, there must be. I assume some of your fellow students are from the Archaeology department..? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6601 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 22 of 49 14 November 2011 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well, no, actually none. There’s me, two other newbies, a semitist and the rest are semitist-theologians. Hmm, I wish I could write a post in akkadian: but other than telling people they die if they steal goods or who be blamed for bad interest on fields there’s not much to talk about. We’re very Hammurabi-focused, so to say. His name is, actually, to be written Ḫammurapi but people don’t seem to care about this. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5204 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 23 of 49 14 November 2011 at 9:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm really enjoying your blog, @Hampie! I'd be interested to know how Akkadian has influenced other semitic languages.
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| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6601 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 24 of 49 14 November 2011 at 10:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don’t know if it has. I’m pretty sure Aramaic has some loan words from Akkadian, but other than that… well. It’s old. It was dead most of the time it was written and kept alive by scholars whose native language was aramaic or a later dialect of akkadian.. The intimate relationship between akkadian and sumerian people resulted in what’s usually called Sprachbund that resulted in, on the akkadian side, of the loss of many of those hard-to-pronounce sounds and moved the verb from SVO into the more sumerian-like SOV-structure. The books likes to draw parallels to hebrew (almost only to hebrew and pro to-semitic, except regarding phonology where arabic is very interesting.. hmm why is that?), rather than trying to trace probable influence other than shared roots. Akkadian has kept the protosemitic cases, as have Cassical Arabic (which in phonology and morphology is very conservative, though not in syntax), which are thus: nominative -um, genitive, -im, accusative, am, later on during the Middle Babylonian and Assyrian time (Babylonian = dialect «spoken» in south close to Babilim, Assyrian = dialect spoken in the north close to Aššur) lost the m’s, this feature is called mimation (after the phenomenon nunation in Arabic). Adjectives agree with the nouns they modify and they always follow them in the sentence structure. Akkadian words have, like Hebrew and Arabic, states, though Akkadian has three states: status rectus, status constructus and status abosulutus, and a little bastard that in almost all cases are identical to status constctus but used before pronominal suffixes. Status constructus is used to form a so called genitive chain, i.e., as I’ve previously written, denote ownerships, it also can introduce a relative clause. It’s kind of hard to tell word classes apart because verbs and nouns and to some degree adjectives totally melt together because they’re just some vowels thrown into the same root. *dmq has rendered damqum, which mean ‹good›, damqutum, ‹goodness›, damāqum, ‹to be good› — and on top of that, nouns and adjectives can in the absolute state plus a suffix mean ‹to be -insert word- for a duration of time›. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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