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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 33 of 78 15 April 2010 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This forum has a history of attracting more and more close-minded people (or allowing banned ones back) and every discussion about Esperanto is of lower value than the previous. What's more, it's impossible to simply talk about Esperanto here as you would talk about any other foreign language, ask questions about it, mention cool features you came across or report milestones in your learning without getting drawn into these interminable arguments, the largest part of which are off-topic and designed to make you unable to enjoy your language-learning success. I will not be long now, Blunderstein, and I'm in the process of setting up a similar forum in Esperanto. I meant to do so anyway because I have a feeling that there will be great revelations when we can get people from Asia and Africa to weigh in with their language-learning methods and stories. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 34 of 78 15 April 2010 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Actually, there are similar numbers of leftists among Esperanto speakers as there are libertarians and anarchists in my experience [I mis-used the word "balance out"], just center parties are less represented than could be expected. Esperanto speakers tend to think for themselves ;-) There is plenty of literature for you, including a lot of literature without agenda. Esperanto has even produced several quantifiable literature movements, a key aspect of culture imho, as it indicates that writers aren't producing in a vacuum, there is reception, adaptation, re-mixing, referring... Get the book "Concise Encyclopedia of the Original Literature of Esperanto" (Esperanto/dp/1595690905">link) if you would like to confirm this aspect before embarking on study. Edited by Sprachprofi on 15 April 2010 at 7:34pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7160 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 35 of 78 15 April 2010 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
As much as I have sparred with you in the past, Sprachprofi, it would be a shame if you'd leave. You do offer valuable stuff about languages other than Esperanto. I'm just sayin'... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 37 of 78 15 April 2010 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
There's nothing I enjoy so much as a good spar here and there, and you're a good opponent for whom I have a lot of respect. Yet I'm tired of this forum's thrashings whenever Esperanto is brought up, and I'm not ready to censor myself to only talk about my other languages. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| dmaddock1 Senior Member United States Joined 5437 days ago 174 posts - 426 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Esperanto, Latin, Ancient Greek | Message 38 of 78 15 April 2010 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
EXACTLY the sort of resource I was hoping for, thanks! Even better, Google Books has limited preview, though I'll have to buy this if I decide to go for it. Funny too that the guy who wrote the preface is a professor at the Uni. of Hartford--virtually in my backyard.
I would actually. It happens, though I don't find that fact or others' propensity to use it offensive and am not that interested in a semantic argument. d. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| daristani Senior Member United States Joined 7148 days ago 752 posts - 1661 votes Studies: Uzbek | Message 39 of 78 15 April 2010 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I guess that, based on the above, when it comes to the final intergalactic showdown between constructed languages, I'm now going to put my money on Klingon rather than Esperanto. Somehow I don't think that the Klingons will fold their tents and withdraw so easily merely because their culture has been treated with contempt...
On a more serious note, I would still be interested to hear thoughts as to WHY the threads on Esperanto seem to engender such emotion when most discussions on other languages don't. I truly don't think it's a matter of English speakers feeling threatened by the juggernaut of Esperanto. But the idea that the Esperanto "movement" is a sort of self-congratulatory social club with presumptions of moral superiority, which various contributors have alluded to, is supported by some of the above comments as well, e.g., the suggestion that skeptics of Esperanto are "close-minded", and that Esperantists "tend to think for themselves". (As an aside, the idea that "leftists" are balanced by "libertarians and anarchists" may partially explain the language's lack of traction in the broader world outside of language hobbyists.) In any event, I wish the new Esperanto forum, and its participants, success. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7160 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 40 of 78 15 April 2010 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thank you. It's kind of you to say that. To use the clichéd expression: "Why can't we all just get along?" *sigh*. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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