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dmaddock1
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 Message 26 of 34
16 June 2010 at 2:57pm | IP Logged 
GREGORG4000 wrote:
I hope that you can see my trouble here and not call me a spouting machine of ignorance or uninformedosity because of this...


I absolutely do see your point and it is a very good one. I wasn't actually referring to you but I could see how my comment could've been taken that way, sorry for the confusion there. I made my wording general to try to avoid targeting anyone.

Many Marxists/socialists/<insert crazy idea here>/etc. are just as annoying and pushy about trying to convert you as are many of these crazy Esperantists, in my experience. However, as I said, you make a very good point that Esperanto is unique in that its genesis was a direct result of the ideology commonly associated with it. I personally think it is starting to outgrow this and that most of the arguments that such Esperantists make don't hold much water. Interestingly, also from the beginning of the language it has always been very literary. If one can get past the naivete, this literary character is worth it, in my opinion.

d.
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dmaddock1
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 Message 27 of 34
16 June 2010 at 3:31pm | IP Logged 
paranday wrote:
So, how do I say, "Soldier onward, Esperantans!" Someone, please?


Something like: "Soldatadu, Esperantistoj!" ;)
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GREGORG4000
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 Message 28 of 34
16 June 2010 at 4:32pm | IP Logged 
dmaddock1 wrote:
I absolutely do see your point and it is a very good one. I wasn't actually referring to you but I could see how my comment could've been taken that way, sorry for the confusion there. I made my wording general to try to avoid targeting anyone.

Many Marxists/socialists/<insert crazy idea here>/etc. are just as annoying and pushy about trying to convert you as are many of these crazy Esperantists, in my experience. However, as I said, you make a very good point that Esperanto is unique in that its genesis was a direct result of the ideology commonly associated with it. I personally think it is starting to outgrow this and that most of the arguments that such Esperantists make don't hold much water. Interestingly, also from the beginning of the language it has always been very literary. If one can get past the naivete, this literary character is worth it, in my opinion.

d.

I see. Thank you, I'll try this language again sometime, now that I've heard some variations in the way it's spoken also which make it more pleasant.
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John Smith
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 Message 29 of 34
16 June 2010 at 6:29pm | IP Logged 
It is too European to be neutral. People who already speak a European language are at an unfair advantage.


The creator should have made up more of the words from scratch.


A neutral language should look like this

Am le Ran (I speak Ran). Mo fi ta samde. (The world's only neutral language)

Not

Io speako Esperanto. Worldo firste neutrale langage. Tu can learno it rapido.




Edited by John Smith on 16 June 2010 at 6:30pm

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dmaddock1
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 Message 30 of 34
16 June 2010 at 8:05pm | IP Logged 
Ha! That's hilarious! In my head that sounded exactly like a typical American feigning Spanish.
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Splog
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 Message 31 of 34
16 June 2010 at 10:17pm | IP Logged 
dmaddock1 wrote:


Regarding the sound, as with anything the quality of the speaker's voice makes a huge difference. Aaron Chapman's (from Radio Verda) recording of Baghy's poem Al kavaliroj de la paco sounds quite lovely to me.

d.


Maybe I have prejudiced ears, but that didn't sound nice to me at all. I listened to some of the other recordings in other languages on that same site. Some sounded terrible to me (Esperanto, Hebrew), most just okay, but only two of them sounded lovely (French, Africaans). I do not know why.
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dmaddock1
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 Message 32 of 34
16 June 2010 at 10:26pm | IP Logged 
Splog wrote:
Some sounded terrible to me (Esperanto, Hebrew), most just okay, but only two of them sounded lovely (French, Africaans). I do not know why.


Yeah, if we're rating them, those sound more pleasing to me too. For me, I know why: I'm a sucker for a silky foreign accent from a woman. ;)


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