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Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5381 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 41 of 81 19 January 2013 at 8:09pm | IP Logged |
beano wrote:
But it's somewhat different in France. These sneaky rascals will scorn your attempts to speak French. No
French person takes an outsider seriously unless they speak clear accent-free French. Yet they offer little
assistance in English, which is rather mean of them, considering all French people do actually speak English,
they just secretly pretend not to.
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And the myth part here was?.... :-)
Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 19 January 2013 at 8:48pm
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4754 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 42 of 81 19 January 2013 at 8:40pm | IP Logged |
It's definitely a myth. Practically all French people have been very eager to help
whenever I spoke French to them. But then, my accent isn't that torrid.
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4712 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian
| Message 43 of 81 19 January 2013 at 8:53pm | IP Logged |
Hearing so many contradictory reports on French reception of non-native speakers is making me kind of eager to test the place out for myself.
tarvos wrote:
It's definitely a myth. Practically all French people have been very eager to help whenever I spoke French to them. But then, my accent isn't that torrid. |
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Wouldn't a torrid accent be a good thing? :-)
Edited by tastyonions on 19 January 2013 at 8:55pm
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| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4683 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin
| Message 44 of 81 19 January 2013 at 9:42pm | IP Logged |
I always thought that was just a Paris thing.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4754 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 45 of 81 19 January 2013 at 10:26pm | IP Logged |
I haven't had people in Paris so much as bat an eyelid at me for speaking French to
them
either, even if it only got me the crappiest sandwich at Gare Montparnasse ever. And
that
was over half a year ago, and my French was worse than than it is now.
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Nope. Pronouncing the language properly is quite important and gives off the impression
you're taking the language seriously. Working on your "r" for example, ça vaut vraiment
la peine. I find that if you make an effort to speak French, people are more than happy
to speak back and help you. That is whether you are on holiday and meet people on the
train (happened to me), in shops and restaurants, or even when you live with French
people and ask them to speak French. Every time I spoke French people were very happy
to have me try it out. The only one who didn't was my ex-girlfriend for some reason. In
the beginning, they would speak English back to me in shops in Brussels sometimes, but
my French was ass poor at that time. I was very insistent and spoke French back.
Although the sweetest reaction I got was from a shopkeeper who actually returned the
favour in DUTCH (Walloons NEVER DO THIS AT ALL), just because I bothered to speak
French. I said I was trying to learn French and we continued in French, but he would
continue to clarify in Dutch if I said something weird.
Edited by tarvos on 19 January 2013 at 10:31pm
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| ling Diglot Groupie Taiwan Joined 4633 days ago 61 posts - 94 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Indonesian, Thai
| Message 46 of 81 20 January 2013 at 6:41am | IP Logged |
One I come across frequently in Taiwan is "Chinese has no grammar."
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| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6172 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish
| Message 47 of 81 20 January 2013 at 7:21am | IP Logged |
ling wrote:
One I come across frequently in Taiwan is "Chinese has no grammar." |
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I've also heard this from native Chinese speakers here in the USA. I've never studied Chinese, so I don't know, but this can't really be true, though, right?
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| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4819 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish
| Message 48 of 81 20 January 2013 at 7:36am | IP Logged |
cathrynm wrote:
ling wrote:
One I come across frequently in Taiwan is "Chinese has no grammar." |
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I've also heard this from native Chinese speakers here in the USA. I've never studied Chinese, so I don't know, but this can't really be true, though, right? |
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Of course it can't, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a language (or a family of languages, but that's a whole other debate). The people who say that seem to be under the impression that the word "grammar" means "inflections". Those are indeed absent from modern Chinese (AFAIK whether or not Old Chinese had them is disputed), but morphology and syntax definitely aren't.
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