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kanewai
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 Message 129 of 167
27 January 2014 at 10:49pm | IP Logged 
A
couple updates


I hit a point in Assimil where I just could not make sense of the lessons. It would
take me an hour to untangle the dialogue - there was too much new information for me to
keep it straight in my head. I reached this same block before with
Assimil Ancient Greek. For Le Turc it was between lessons 21 and 28. By
Lesson 30 I realized that I needed to go back and regroup.

I'm going to try and keep the courses in synch, so my current plan is to do the FSI
chapter that corresponds to the TY chapter I'm on.

To Date:

Pimsleur - Completed. It was one of their better courses.
Assimil - Through Lesson 30, but will probably have to back up to Lesson 21.
FSI - Finished Lesson 15.
Teach Yourself - Finished Lesson 3.

TY 4 - -iyor present tense verbs
TY 5 - past tense
TY 6 - future tense.   Restart FSI 16
TY 7 - -ir present tense. I didn't understand this at all in Assimil.
TY 8 - can, can't, might, might not.
TY 9 - Infinitives as nouns; obligation

Assimil was doing all of the above, and then some. Maybe I'll be ready for it again in
a few weeks. Maybe not.

Edited by kanewai on 28 January 2014 at 2:34am

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t1234
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 Message 130 of 167
27 January 2014 at 11:21pm | IP Logged 
Update for Turkish
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t1234
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 Message 131 of 167
27 January 2014 at 11:41pm | IP Logged 
Unfortunately I don't think there's one single book that's really good to use for Turkish. They're all OKish but nothing great so you'll
need to use multiple books. One thing that is helpful is to read as much as possible early on because the grammar is so regular you can
pick up some of the stuff really easily. It's probably already been mentioned before but here's a bunch of fairy tales in Turkish:
http://www.ilkokuma.com/masallar.htm
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MithradatesG
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 Message 132 of 167
28 January 2014 at 2:00am | IP Logged 
Several updates here.

This discussion of which courses to use is interesting. I've found myself using FSI as my primary course, but using two editions of TY Turkish (1989 and 1996) in addition, to provide a wider scope and a clearer explanation of grammar. I'm happy with the combination for the moment.

Hearing your experience with Assimil, kanewai, perhaps I'll use that as a review course once I've finished FSI Turkish Volume I.
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renaissancemedi
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 Message 133 of 167
28 January 2014 at 8:18am | IP Logged 
Mithradates, apart from FSI and TY 1989, you think TY 1990's might help?

I don't know why I never warmed up to assimil turkish (while I love assimil russian).

Anyway, nice to know that the need for more courses than one is somehow the rule.
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renaissancemedi
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 Message 134 of 167
28 January 2014 at 2:48pm | IP Logged 
A question on etiquette.

In the third FSI lesson we learn

goodbye (we have commited you to God)
goodnight (may God give rest)

Is it ok for a foreigner to use them? I suppose, if FSI teaches them, it must be ok, but I might as well ask.


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fireballtrouble
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 Message 135 of 167
28 January 2014 at 7:16pm | IP Logged 
renaissancemedi wrote:
A question on etiquette.

In the third FSI lesson we learn

goodbye (we have commited you to God)
goodnight (may God give rest)

Is it ok for a foreigner to use them? I suppose, if FSI teaches them, it must be ok,
but I might as well ask.



goodbye (we have commited you to God) => Allaha ısmarladık!

It's of course OK for foreigners to use it. But it's a bit old-fashioned. It isn't of
great importance for a foreigner to retain it unless you aim C2+ but on the contrary I
strongly advise you to retain these two forms of "goodbye" below:

Hoşça kal! (the one who leaves says this to the one who stays, it already literally
means "stay well!")
Güle güle! (the one who stays says this to the one who leaves. extra : it literally
means "by smiling, by smiling!" , which can be subtitled as "Go with smiles, leave
happily!"

---

goodnight (may God give rest) => Allah rahatlık versin.

Goodnight is "İyi geceler" and iyi geceler can be said in all levels of speech and fits
all formal and informal situations.
But "Allah rahatlık versin" is indeed not a sentence of salutation but more of a wish
for someone who goes to bed. It's a wish of a good sleep and a calm night.
As it concerns someone's sleep and night, quite informally, it can't be used in formal
situations.


Edited by fireballtrouble on 28 January 2014 at 7:24pm

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renaissancemedi
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 Message 136 of 167
28 January 2014 at 7:30pm | IP Logged 
Thank you so much! I have already taken my notes :)


Fireball, Allah rahatlık versin :)


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