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mrwarper
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 Message 185 of 204
12 April 2014 at 5:57pm | IP Logged 
Serpent wrote:
It's not that though, according to wordreference it's more like
I had read the WR thread, seems I misunderstood the example they give there for 'fugir a'. Well, I don't speak Portuguese, so...
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 Message 186 of 204
12 April 2014 at 8:00pm | IP Logged 
Obrigada!!! :) Encontrei este uso num poema. Então em Portugal também se usa só na língua escrita, ou não?

Edited by Serpent on 12 April 2014 at 8:00pm

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 Message 187 of 204
12 April 2014 at 8:33pm | IP Logged 
Serpent wrote:
Obrigada!!! :) Encontrei este uso num poema. Então em Portugal também se usa só na língua escrita, ou não?

A ver se fechamos este tema, que já leva várias páginas: em Portugal, o uso depende da expressão. Pode ser formal ou informal. Pode ser falado ou escrito.

O exemplo que dei acima ("fugir com o rabo à seringa") é obviamente uma expressão da oralidade. Pelo menos espero que não faça parte de nenhum formulário hospitalar. :P

A further point (therefore in English):

Local usage of prepositions may vary. In Angola, locals say "ir em". In Portugal, this would not be proper usage, since we say "ir a". I believe the African expression also took roots in Brazil, since in telenovelas people say "ir numa festa". I don't know whether this is slang or the more current version. Maybe they have both.

We also have "ir para", but it has a different meaning. In any case, I think it's a bad idea to address subjects such as these piecemeal. I only brought it up as an example.
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mrwarper
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 Message 188 of 204
13 April 2014 at 2:32am | IP Logged 
mrwarper wrote:
Well, I don't speak Portuguese, so...

...so I forgot to mention that it still applies to Spanish huir -- both a/de can be used in the same sense "to flee from": huir de [algo] is exactly the same thing as huirle a [ese algo] (note the enclitic pronoun addition)--it's English where it doesn't work that way. The version with the enclitic + a is perhaps less formal and may refer to elements more psychological than real in nature, but other than that I can't think of an example where they're really mutually exclusive.
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 Message 189 of 204
12 May 2014 at 8:32pm | IP Logged 
An interesting story from Brazil's most popular business magazine:

De onde vêm os estrangeiros que sonham em morar no Brasil
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 Message 190 of 204
12 May 2014 at 9:21pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
An interesting story from Brazil's most popular business magazine:

De onde vêm os estrangeiros que sonham em morar no Brasil

Nice. And not surprising, except for... Azerbaijan! Anyway, when you look at the percentages, it's not all that significant, after the first half dozen or so.

I like the following poll, about tourists that (actually) visit Brazil.

Oh, and the comments from the Brazilians (scroll down) are priceless.

Edited by Luso on 12 May 2014 at 9:24pm

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 Message 191 of 204
12 May 2014 at 9:26pm | IP Logged 
I normally avoid the comments...
Georgia is also surprising, btw
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 Message 192 of 204
12 May 2014 at 9:37pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
I normally avoid the comments...

Me too, but here they're funny, not offensive.

Expugnator wrote:
Georgia is also surprising, btw

Not really. They probably don't have a clear idea of what your country is like.

For some of these countries, it must be: "I love football, beautiful women, beaches and sun... and life over there shouldn't be harder than over here, anyway".

For Argentinians and Portuguese, it would be (often is) a far more real choice. We all know of someone who lives over there.


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