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Expugnator
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 Message 65 of 204
02 January 2014 at 6:11pm | IP Logged 
E aí, Exploradores! Preparados para mais um ano de batalhas lingüísticas?

Acabei de chegar da Chapada Diamantina. É uma região rica em história e em paisagens, e
fica no coração da Bahia. Fiz alguns bons passeios, e outros não foram possíveis, mas no
geral a viagem valeu muito a pena. Fiquei hospedado na cidade de Lençóis. Se quiserem,
posso contar mais detalhes. Enquanto isso, fica a sugestão de atividade:

Suggested assignement: do a short search in Portuguese about Chapada Diamantina
and write a few lines about why you think it is worth (or not) visiting Chapada
Diamantina.
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 Message 66 of 204
05 January 2014 at 8:54pm | IP Logged 
Descansa em paz, Eusébio...
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ennime
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 Message 67 of 204
06 January 2014 at 4:10pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:
E aí, Exploradores! Preparados para mais um ano de batalhas lingüísticas?

Acabei de chegar da Chapada Diamantina. É uma região rica em história e em paisagens, e
fica no coração da Bahia. Fiz alguns bons passeios, e outros não foram possíveis, mas no
geral a viagem valeu muito a pena. Fiquei hospedado na cidade de Lençóis. Se quiserem,
posso contar mais detalhes. Enquanto isso, fica a sugestão de atividade:

Suggested assignement: do a short search in Portuguese about Chapada Diamantina
and write a few lines about why you think it is worth (or not) visiting Chapada
Diamantina.


a great assignment! now I've googled the Chapadad Diamantina, but I haven't gotten to writing about it in portuguese yet
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ennime
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 Message 68 of 204
08 January 2014 at 9:59pm | IP Logged 
ennime wrote:
Expugnator wrote:
E aí, Exploradores! Preparados para mais um ano de batalhas lingüísticas?

Acabei de chegar da Chapada Diamantina. É uma região rica em história e em paisagens, e
fica no coração da Bahia. Fiz alguns bons passeios, e outros não foram possíveis, mas no
geral a viagem valeu muito a pena. Fiquei hospedado na cidade de Lençóis. Se quiserem,
posso contar mais detalhes. Enquanto isso, fica a sugestão de atividade:

Suggested assignement: do a short search in Portuguese about Chapada Diamantina
and write a few lines about why you think it is worth (or not) visiting Chapada
Diamantina.


a great assignment! now I've googled the Chapadad Diamantina, but I haven't gotten to writing about it in portuguese yet


Alright, here is three sentence attempt in my very basic Portuguese:

Chapada Diamantina é um parque nacional no Brasil, no estado de Bahia. Eu quer visita o parque por que eu amo natureza. Também eu amo caminhar.

A quick question with this, in term of say "in" how does one know to differentiate between na/no and em, and other words like it? Is there a rule to follow? Why is it "em Londres" but "no Brasil"?
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Luso
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 Message 69 of 204
08 January 2014 at 11:49pm | IP Logged 
ennime wrote:


Alright, here is three sentence attempt in my very basic Portuguese:

Chapada Diamantina é um parque nacional no Brasil, no estado da Bahia. Eu quero visitar o parque por que (eu amo) gosto da natureza. Também (eu amo) gosto de caminhar.

A quick question with this, in term of say "in" how does one know to differentiate between na/no and em, and other words like it? Is there a rule to follow? Why is it "em Londres" but "no Brasil"?


Let me address this one: you have to see things in context. When there's some sort of significance, you have to use the corresponding article:

A terra do pau-brasil => o pau-brasil => o Brasil;
A terra onde os portugueses chegaram em 1 de janeiro de 1502 e pensaram tratar-se dum rio => o Rio de Janeiro;
Uma terra em Portugal que era um porto romano => o Porto;
Uma baía onde Pedro Álvares Cabral aportou em 1500 => a Bahia (old Portuguese);
Terras descobertas no dia de Natal => o Natal.

Some exceptions (if I'm not mistaken): you don't say "o Porto Seguro", nor "as Minas Gerais".

Sometimes, you don't have an article: Portugal, Marrocos, Lisboa, Paris, Londres (in fact, most cities), places named after saints (São Paulo, Salvador,...).

N.B.: I corrected your text. In Portugal (and, I think, in Brazil too) we reserve the words "amar", "amo" to persons (and only in special cases). In other contexts, we prefer to say "gostar de" or (rarely) "adorar".

Edited by Luso on 09 January 2014 at 1:30am

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ennime
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 Message 70 of 204
09 January 2014 at 1:40am | IP Logged 
Abrigado, Luso

I understand the corrections to my sentences.

as to the articles and the place names... I'm trying to wrap my he'd around... so basically only certain place names have an article? and for all those others you'd use "em"? or am I hitting it way off...
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Luso
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 Message 71 of 204
09 January 2014 at 2:35am | IP Logged 
ennime wrote:
Obrigada, Luso

I understand the corrections to my sentences.

as to the articles and the place names... I'm trying to wrap my he'd around... so basically only certain place names have an article? and for all those others you'd use "em"? or am I hitting it way off...


Yes, in some cases you only use the preposition, but it's not bound to always be "em". This is a different question, though. Depending on context, you might have:
- A Chapada Diamantina fica no Brasil. => it's (in) there.
- Eu vou ao Brasil. => presumably, I'll be back.
- Eu vou para o Brasil. => presumably, I'm going to stay there.

Edited by Luso on 09 January 2014 at 2:36am

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espejismo
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 Message 72 of 204
09 January 2014 at 12:25pm | IP Logged 
Expugnator wrote:


Suggested assignement: do a short search in Portuguese about Chapada Diamantina
and write a few lines about why you think it is worth (or not) visiting Chapada
Diamantina.


Eu acho que vale a pena conhecer a Chapada Diamantina, é maravilhosa. Esta região tem belas paisagens e cachoeiras. Encontrei um comentário em um blog que descrevo exatamente a minha opinião sobre este lugar: "Deu uma vontade danada de conhecer esse paraíso." :P

Sorry, I haven't tried writing anything in Portuguese for ages.

Edited by espejismo on 09 January 2014 at 12:52pm



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