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| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4309 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 1 of 8 09 May 2015 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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I hope this is the right forum. Now that I can reasonably carry my own in both my foreign languages, German and Spanish (the forum required I choose only one), I want to initiate a program of study that although Mike Campbell intended as a tool for absolute beginners, I feel would be useful as a comparative tool for all languages I might study in the future: the 1000 sentence method. I have decided to limit this to only 100 sentences to start with, and to, as per his advice, choose sentences that have a personally meaningful content and some memorable imagery. My first sentence (others to be updated in the thread) is "Respect the ink bottle as you respect the sharp knife" This is an instruction to myself to always take extroadinary care never to place an open bottle of ink, for dipping plumas/feder/fountain pens into, in places where it could conceivably be upset by a clumsy movement of the hand. Just as if one uses a very sharp knife, one coordinates one's actions to keep it as the object in the very centre of your consciousness, just like how any object of respect is treated. This has a personal meaning for me because, having upset or even overturned bottles of ink before, and being someone once injured by a sharp knife by my own hand, I cannot easily shake the thought of either happening again. So, perhaps too much information, but I thought that an anecdote like this might spark some discussion on how we can make an item of learning, or crafting our own, maximally interesting and profound for ourselves. Mainly, though, I would greatly appreciate good translations of this first sentence (with annotations) that would be entirely faithful to the idiom of either languages, Spanish or German. Thank you very much for reading. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 2 of 8 09 May 2015 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's exactly the kind of sentences I SRS.
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| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4309 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 3 of 8 20 June 2015 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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The translations for either Spanish or German would still be greatly appreciated!
My next two entries are: 2. We read into our heroes what we wants for ourselves. We also read into our enemies what we secretly most detest in ourselves. 3. I must bend my back in order to carry something on it. When I unburden myself I may then and only then stand up straight. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5321 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 4 of 8 20 June 2015 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Retinend: If you like proverbs, you might find the following two open sources resources useful:
1. Dictionary of Quotations from Ancient and Modern, English and Foreign Sources You can easily find German and Spanish proverbs with English translations if you search for Ger. Pr. and Sp. Pr. 2. Lewis Nicholas Worthington -- Polyglot phrases Since both books are relatively old they contain some archaic spellings and/or politically incorrect/useless phrases. As for your sample sentences, they're, IMHO, too complex for the 1000 sentence method. Take for example the first one: "Respect the ink bottle as you respect the sharp knife" which would need to be paraphrased in German as: "Behandle das Tintenfass mit genauso viel Respekt wie ein scharfes Messer." I seriously doubt that you'd learn much from such paraphrased translations. IIRC, Mike "Glossika" Campbell recommends data mining tourist phrasebooks, because they usually contain short, easy-to-translate phrases. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4309 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 5 of 8 20 June 2015 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well I might be completely abusing the original 100 sentence method. And why do you
"seriously doubt" I will learn anything from this exercise? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 6 of 8 20 June 2015 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | ||
I should note that I aim to find this kind of elegant sentences in L2. Often they're much more clumsy in translation. At your level you should be able to judge the translation's quality. Don't use awkward/messy L2 sentences even if they sound good in L1. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5321 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 7 of 8 21 June 2015 at 1:12am | IP Logged | ||
I didn't question the method, I merely suggested selecting more useful sentences. Edited by Doitsujin on 21 June 2015 at 8:31am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4309 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 8 of 8 28 June 2015 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Okay. Well I feel obliged to go briefly on the defensive: My thinking is to use memorable
and personal sentences, since in my experience they stick in the memory better than everyday ones. Also, this would be a very small allocation of time - I usually revise my word-phrase lists fortnightly, and this would be no exception. I do already study German/Spanish proverbs and study them in like manner, so it's a small move to create my own. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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