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| alexptrans Pentaglot Senior Member Israel Joined 6766 days ago 208 posts - 236 votes  Speaks: English, Modern Hebrew, Russian*, French, Arabic (Written) Studies: Icelandic | Message 17 of 22 12 October 2006 at 7:33am | IP Logged | |||||
I didn't know that. So what you're saying is that in Persian the accusative marker is only used with definite nouns? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Zorndyke Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6959 days ago 374 posts - 382 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Czech | Message 18 of 22 12 October 2006 at 7:41am | IP Logged | |||||
Exactly. The -râ particle indicates a determined accusative object. And when you take a look at Alijsh´s posts you will find that his examples containing this accusative marker are always determined ones. Another example would be: "Man yak ketâb dâshtam" (indefinite) "I had a book" whereas: "ketab-râ dashtam" (definite) "I had the book" Both nouns are accusatives, but just the second one uses -râ, because it is a determined accusative object. Edited by Zorndyke on 12 October 2006 at 7:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| alexptrans Pentaglot Senior Member Israel Joined 6766 days ago 208 posts - 236 votes Speaks: English, Modern Hebrew, Russian*, French, Arabic (Written) Studies: Icelandic | Message 19 of 22 12 October 2006 at 8:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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That's very interesting, thanks!
Now that I think about it, Russian also has a similar phenomenon where the case markers for definite/indefinite direct objects can differ, albeit only in negation. So maybe there are even more languages that make this distinction. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7157 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 20 of 22 25 August 2012 at 9:51am | IP Logged | |||||
Declension in Mongolian, Turkic and in a few Uralic languages typically marks definiteness or "specificness" in direct objects subject to certain conditions. Mongolian direct objects that are personal pronouns, proper names, definite noun phrases must take on a distinct "accusative" suffix while other nouns that could be construed as definite direct objects either take on this suffix optionally or do not take it on at all and so retain the appearance of being in nominative. Би ном уншина. "I read a book."; Би нөгөө номыг уншина. "I read the book." (Mongolian - ном is nominative singular and doubles as the form for a book as an indefinite/unspecified direct object) E.g. in Turkic: Mən qəzet oxuyuram. "I'm reading a newspaper"; Mən qəzeti oxuyuram/ "I'm reading the newspaper" (Azeri - qəzet is nominative singular and doubles as the form for a newspaper as an indefinite/unspecified direct object) Ben gazete okuyorum. "I'm reading a newspaper"; Ben gazeteyi okuyorum "I'm reading the newspaper" (Turkish - gazete is nominative singular and doubles as the form for a newspaper as an indefinite/unspecified direct object) Men gazeta o'qiyapman. "I'm reading a newspaper"; Men gazetani o'qiyapman. "I'm reading the newspaper" (Uzbek - gazeta is nominative singular and doubles as the form for a newspaper as an indefinite/unspecified direct object) E.g. in Uralic: (Мон) ловнан книга. "I read a book"; (Мон) ловнан книганть "I read the book" (Erzya - книга is nominative singular and doubles as the form for a book as an indefinite/unspecified direct object) Мон книга лыӟӥсько "I'm reading a book"; Мон книгаез лыӟӥсько "I'm reading the book" (Udmurt - книга is nominative singular and doubles as the form for a book as an indefinite/unspecified direct object) For a technical slideshow on marking definiteness in Finno-Ugric and Turkic direct objects, see here. Edited by Chung on 25 August 2012 at 10:03am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4700 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 21 of 22 25 August 2012 at 11:15am | IP Logged | |||||
How do you distinguish a marker from declension? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Aquila123 Tetraglot Senior Member Norway mydeltapi.com Joined 5307 days ago 201 posts - 262 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Italian, Spanish Studies: Finnish, Russian | Message 22 of 22 14 October 2012 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It occurs ferquently that object markers are limited to certain circumstances, typically definite nouns, animate nouns or singular number.
Idoeuropan languages had traditionally a distinct accusative only for animate nouns, which still can be seen to some extend in Slavonic, German, Islandic and Greek. In Spanish the preposition "a" is used as an object marker for humans. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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