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は and が conundrum

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Captain Haddock
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 Message 9 of 10
23 October 2009 at 3:30am | IP Logged 
Gon-no-suke wrote:
It might be that Japanese particles are better explained through thematic realtions,
but I don't think they are better understood through them; especially if you are familiar with cases but not with
thematic relations.


True, but the case explanation ("ga marks the subject) makes no sense when the student encounters
sentences like:
私にはそれがわからない
私は日本語がしゃべれる
像が鼻が長いよ
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Gon-no-suke
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 Message 10 of 10
23 October 2009 at 7:35am | IP Logged 
Captain Haddock wrote:
私にはそれがわからない
私は日本語がしゃべれる


"わかる and potential verb forms take the thing you can do as the subject."

Quote:
像が鼻が長いよ


How many single-verb sentences with multiple が have you encountered IRL (i.e. not in grammar explanations)? This is a point of debate (where I'm probably in the minority), but I think such sentences are hard to understand and should be rewritten.

Edited by Gon-no-suke on 23 October 2009 at 8:20am

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